California Ban on Carrying Firearms for Non-Residents Challenged

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On April 11, 2024, a lawsuit was filed against Rob Bonta in his capacity as the Attorney General of California. The lawsuit contends California infringes on the rights protected by the Second Amendment of the Bill of Rights by prohibiting United States citizens who are non-residents of California from exercising rights protected by the Second Amendment in the state.

2. California, however, prevents law-abiding citizens of the United States who do not reside in California from exercising their constitutionally protected right to carry loaded, operable firearms in public. State law generally prohibits individuals from carrying firearms either openly or concealed in public, and non-residents are not eligible for a license to carry a firearm in public. Indeed, California’s unconstitutionally restrictive scheme provides no path for non-residents to carry a firearm lawfully in public at all. As a result, individuals like Plaintiffs Hoffman, Orrin,and Sensiba, who have been issued carry licenses in their respective home states (and are allowed by other states that either do not require a license, or which offer reciprocity based upon the license(s) they hold), are barred from lawfully carrying a firearm in public for self-defense when they visit California.

The lawsuit contends the ban on carry by non-residents is unconstitutional. U.S. citizens do not lose the protection of the Bill of Rights when they cross state lines. They do not lose the right to free speech, the right to practice their religion, or the protection from unreasonable searches or seizures.

This is not the first case that challenges the power of states to block the exercise of rights protected by the Second Amendment by non-residents. In the early challenge to highly restrictive California law on carry permits, in the Peruta case, Peruta contended he had a right to be issued a California permit because he resided in the state part of the time. Peruta did not prevail, in part, because the case occurred before the current Supreme Court ruling in Bruen clarified how inferior courts were to apply the Heller decision.

Another case, CRPA v LASD, is ongoing. Among other issues, it challenges California’s power to infringe on the rights of non-residents, which are protected by the Second Amendment. In a Massachusetts case, decided in 2023, a local judge ruled laws which prevent non-residents from carrying are infringements on rights protected by the Second Amendment. The decision in Massachusetts is not a precedential decision. It only applied to the person involved in the case.

When the Second Amendment was ratified in 1791, there were no prohibitions on carrying arms across state lines. Even the strictest colonial law, from 1686, made an exception for travelers.

In 1686, East New Jersey enacted a law providing that no person “shall presume privately to wear any pocket pistol, skeines, stilettoes, daggers or dirks, or other unusual or unlawful weapons,”  and that “no planter shall ride or go armed with sword, pistol or dagger” except certain officials and “strangers, travelling upon their lawful occasions through this Province, behaving themselves peaceably.”3

There are many examples in statutes in the history of the United States which specifically exempt travelers from state weapons laws.  From the Bruen decision, p. 4: 

A short prologue is in order. Even before the Civil War commenced in 1861, this Court indirectly affirmed the importance of the right to keep and bear arms in public. Writing for the Court in Dred Scott v. Sandford, 19 How. 393 (1857), Chief Justice Taney offered what he thought was a parade of horribles that would result from recognizing that free blacks were citizens of the United States. If blacks were citizens, Taney fretted, they would be entitled to the privileges and immunities of citizens, including the right “to keep and carry arms wherever they went.” Id., at 417 (emphasis added)

The state of California will counter these arguments. They will claim the Second Amendment only applies to residents of their home state, as residents are not allowed to vote in another state. They will claim it is particularly dangerous to allow residents of other states to carry in California. They will claim other states do not have the burdensome training and fee requirements that California requires to obtain a carry permit.

They will claim the usual Progressive arguments of “that was then, this is now” and “limitations on government power are bad.” None of those arguments are valid.

The Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit has a reputation for being hostile to the free exercise of the Second Amendment. If the District Court rules for the plaintiffs, expect the state to appeal to a Ninth Circuit three-judge panel. If the three-judge panel rules for the plaintiffs, expect the ruling to be re-heard by an en banc panel. The only appeal after an en banc panel is to the Supreme Court.


About Dean Weingarten:

Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of Constitutional Carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.

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DDS

“limitations on government power are bad.”

Every word of “The Bill of Rights” is a deliberate limitation on government power.

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Finnky

Exactly why “progressives” believe constitution needs to be scrapped.

Lone Ranger

What gets me in all these articles about “reciprocity” is that the 14th Amendment is not brought up which states in part in Section 1 “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;”.

State driver’s licenses and marriage licenses are recognized nationally and they are privileges not a Constitutional right.  If I’m not mistaken, they are recognized under the 14th Amendment.  So why not invoke the 14th Amendment into the argument on reciprocity? I’m not a lawyer so I need to be educated.

Jim

I am a lawyer and I agree with your assessment. I think it is a valid argument and I think it is a good path to attack the requirement of permits. Permits are nothing more than taxes on our Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. There are no historical precedents supporting the prohibition of a citizen carrying a firearm from state to state.

CBW

The lawsuit is correct. The California Communist State Assembly, Communist State Senate and Communist Governor have indeed greatly and grossly infringed on American’s rights. Each person who signed these anti-Constitutional, thus treasonous, bills should hang for the crime of treason.

DIYinSTL

The legal language in the suit is a bit obtuse but thankfully, I think, it goes after CA both for not issuing CCWs to non-residents under the 2nd and 14th amendments AND for not recognizing other State’s permits as should be required under the Privileges and Immunities clause. It would be nice to be able to visit my CA relatives again.

Dubi Loo

The People’s Republic of Ill has the same treasonous law. Thanks JB

Montana454Casull

California is a cesspool and people just crap on the streets and sidewalks and that should deter anyone from wanting to set thier feet on California soil . Watch where you step if you decide to venture to the shithole state.

Rob

Your distaste for California is obvious, although I would suggest many other states have similar, unenviable conditions. Don’t lose site of the fact that many homeless people contribute to these conditions and that a percentage of these unfortunates are veterans. According to the Department of Housing and Urban Development’s 2023 Annual Homelessness Assessment Report, the increases in Montana’s homeless population over the last few years are some of the largest jumps in the nation. I’m sure that you’re actively involved in resolving these issues in Montana, particularly for our veterans.

musicman44mag

They will claim it is particularly dangerous to allow residents of other states to carry in California. Excuse me, but I think kommiefornia has had more mass shootings than Oregone has had along with a higher murder rate. I know that there are more gangs there and more home invasions. They will claim other states do not have the burdensome training and fee requirements that California requires to obtain a carry permit. Like hell, I have a training in class and a shooting requirement and if you don’t punch enough holes in the paper then you have to qualify again.… Read more »

Jim March

Everybody in Sacramento County has had access to carry permits on a shall-issue basis since 2010. Right after the McDonald decision hit in 2010, attorney Alan Gura sued Sacramento and Yolo counties (sheriff’s offices) over their permit issuance malpractice. Yolo County fought it and at least temporarily won – that’s the case later called Peruta. However, pretty much the instant the lawsuit hit the desk at the Sacramento County sheriff’s office, panic ensued. They folded like a wet noodle and agreed to a settlement that involved shall-issue permit access. That agreement held until the Bruen decision turned all of California… Read more »

musicman44mag

Good morning Jim. I tried hard as I could back from 1981 to 86 when I had my tire business that was 24/7 to get a permit and it was as if I was nuts to even ask while attorneys and drug salesmen where given permits without question. After that I went to work for state service where I was not allowed to carry a gun so I didn’t care anymore until 911. I left in 2013 and didn’t even know that their tactics had been changed. If you helped influence any of that, thank you. Sacramento has a rotten… Read more »

Jim March

There’s a lot more on this case here including details on mistakes made in the pleading:

https://old.reddit.com/r/firearmpolicy/comments/1c48tix/fpc_sues_california_over_the_total_ban_on_carry/

nrringlee

Actually, Dean, let me challenge one premise in your article: “They will claim the usual Progressive arguments of “that was then, this is now” and “limitations on government power are bad.” None of those arguments are valid.” Now, I agree in principle. Natural Rights are now and forever. But to counter progressives you can remind them that there is some truth to their premise that we are not the same society that we were at the founding. They will not like the answer. The truth of the matter is this: when our Constitution was drafted it was drafted by Biblically… Read more »

China Berry

Kinda like women losing bodily autonomy in other states. Freedom is being lost left and right.

jukk0u

Just smear cocaine all over your weapon and if stopped say you’re carrying it for Hunter Biden. Problem solved.