Arizona -(Ammoland.com)- In a tragic story from Wyoming, Mark Uptain, a hunting guide, was killed by a grizzly bear on Friday. His client fled the scene after throwing Mark a pistol. The two were retrieving an elk that had been wounded the previous day while they were bowhunting. The men were processing or packing out the elk when they were attacked by two large bears.
It is difficult to categorize this as a defensive use of a firearm when no attempt was made to fire the handgun. The handgun was reported to be in a pack when the attack started. It has not been recovered at the scene as of this time. From jhnewsandguide.com:
Chubon, a Florida resident, was injured and flown to St. John’s Medical Center in Jackson on Friday, but was in good enough condition to have caught a flight out of the valley Saturday afternoon.
Chubon told investigators that he threw a pistol to Uptain before successfully fleeing and phoning authorities. Initial reports indicate that the second bear was present at the time of the attack, but did not engage either Chubon or Uptain.
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Chubon reportedly was able to toss a handgun to Uptain before he ran from the attack scene, but authorities have so far not been able to locate that firearm.
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“Chubon was able to run to his pack gear a few yards away and retrieve a pistol but was unable to safely fire a shot at the bear that first struck Uptain,” the release said. “The attacking bear then spun, charged Chubon, grabbed his foot, and dragged him to the ground. He sustained injuries to his leg, chest, and arm, but was able to throw the gun to Uptain and get loose before running from the scene to phone for help.
Some commenters indicated that throwing a pistol to someone who is being attacked by a bear might not be an effective strategy or tactic.
No information has been released on what model or caliber of pistol may have been involved. The incident will be added to the list of bear attacks where a pistol was involved, for informational purposes.
The most cited study about bear spray effectiveness does not count incidents where bear spray was at the scene but not used.
In the most cited study about the efficacy of firearms for bear deterrence in Alaska, incidents, where the firearm is not used, are not considered.
We excluded incidents from our analysis where firearms were available but no attempt to use them was made.
It does not appear that an attempt was made to use the handgun accessed in this incident. If the client had thrown a can of bear spray to the guide, that would not have been a use of bear spray.
For this reason, the incident does not qualify as a failure in a pistol defense against bears.
This is a tragic case. One man was killed by a grizzly bear. One man will be haunted for the rest of his life by wondering if he should have acted differently. The story illustrates the wisdom of having defensive tools on your person and ready to use, instead of in a pack.
Handguns, when used to stop an attack, do so fairly reliably.
About Dean Weingarten:
Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of constitutional carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and recently retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.
A friend of mine got mauled by a Grizzly about two years ago and survived. It was the same situation in which they killed an Elk late in the day and the next day they went to get the Elk. Again, the friend went by himself giving his rifle to his B-in-Law. After speaking with some Guides the hunters should never have went to retrieve the Elk without a LARGE caliber sidearm. Within an hour after the shot a Grizzly will be at the kill scene. ALWAYS carry a sidearm when out in Grizzly land. Maybe there needs to be… Read more »
Both guide and bowhunter should have went over these steps before going out. I cant believe the hunter didnt know how to use the pistol and from the get go why he left right away …did he take his head and antlers? My god that man will at least get to live with himself over this the guide doeant get that option he never even tried to help him he just ran…..
I don’t understand why you would throw someone a weapon or why the hunters flew out of state as soon as they returned to town. Throwing a weapon???? How accurate is that and how does the receiver take time to concentrate enough to catch a 4-5 pound weapon and defend himself while being mauled by a bear? This is not the movies. The gun battles I have been in did not involve playing catch with a large handgun or rifle. There are so many questions in this incident. I hope they are checked out since it is a federal case… Read more »
The “hunter” probably was a Broward County pansy who would have thrown his purse at the bear, if he had taken it along with him.
I was always told that I only had to faster than the other guy when running from Bears
Maybe he tripped or even shot the guide in order to get away from the rampaging Grizzly Bear
It worked on The Walking Dead.
The Jackson Hole News & Guide has an article on this and the comments are worth reading.
Sometimes You Eat The Bear And Sometimes The Bear Eats You
Publish the name of the guy who threw the gun so no one will ever hunt with him again.
I mean WTF!!!!! Was his client a commiecrat or what? I mean, Seriously?! Uhhhh, wait! Let me dial 911 and wait. Throw a gun to someone being attacked by a ‘grizz’ in high grass and/or brush… then expect him to reach it, see it…….. in time, if possible (?). I noticed while watching MossyOak’s Elk Bowhunting series that I did not see a rifle or chest rig on anyone, I’m thinking somebody else is nearby off camera with a .338WM or .375H&H and/or a large caliber handgun watching for bears. But I see that’s not the case always. Gentlemen please… Read more »
I think there is far too little info out at this point to draw conclusions. I would be shocked if an elk guide in that area didn’t have both bear spray and a ready back up since bear encounters are multi-daily and several hunters get mauled every year but who knows. As far as throwing the pistol and running away…I guess I can just speculate that guiding hunters from Florida is a bad idea in Northwest Wyoming. Those who wonder about the wisdom of leaving a kill don’t know what they are talking about. Its getting dark and the smell… Read more »
I spent one of the best decades of my career as the Teton Wilderness Manager and Outfitter-Guide permit administrator. Much of that time was spent in the field. The comment about being prepared is spot on. To this day I carry pepper spray on my pack or fanny pack even when simply taking the dog for a walk or daily hike. Back then, I carried pepper spray when I walked the quarter mile to work from my dwelling to the ranger station every morning. I often needed to work alone in the TW and was quite thankful for the border… Read more »
The sorry thing is that a man lost his life! The other thing is that they were BOW hunting and wounded the Elk the day before, This would mean that these men were not prepared to be out trying to find the Elk. My son lives in Alaska and has been there for several years and has given up Bow hunting as it is to risky with the number of large predator bears roaming up there, he said that when he went his pistol was a 44 but always felt he wanted his rifle instead of the Bow! There are… Read more »
All I can say is that even a shot in the air might have distracted the bear enough to get a better shot. Seems fishy that the survivor, who reported all this, took off for home, in Florida, the very next day! Also an experienced guide, in bear country, probably would have kept a gun on their person, especially with an elk carcass laying there. Good for them to have tracked their kill, that’s hunting 101. Not remaining armed or with a dedicated armed lookout, seems to be the real failure.
I am not second guessing anyone here, but if a bear is biting my leg and I have a gun, I will shoot the bastard ASAP. Then maybe I will try to shoot the other bear on my guide?? As a former LEO, I was trained to never give up your weapon, no matter what the circumstances!!
We don’t know the complete circumstances. It’s easy to saw this, or that…. I would think that the “running man” would have attempted to empty his weapon in the bears face…. But again, we can’t say this with any certainty. The bears head could have been thrashing side to side wildly, thus not allowing for anywhere near a safe face-shot…. Just sayin’! Bears are fast, not only running, but attacking…what some would think of as minutes, in all actuality, is a bear in a rage for 10-15 seconds!
The survivor was not qualified to use the gun it appears, and it cost a man his life: the risk of guiding yuppies for money. Very sad.
You don’t leave a kill out overnight because a bear is likely to smell it and claim it then kill to defend it. But lets say something happened beyond your control that happened. Any guide worth his salt knows the risks and should be prepared and super alert when coming back to yesterdays kill. Both should have a gun and bear spray and be ready to use it so no gun tossing is required. Shoot the bear, if the bear got you don’t throw the gun to someone else shoot the bear.
Good for the cruel bowhunter, now he knew what the tormented elk felt. Go ahead and comment, all you drunken sots are free to do so because lives were risked fighting tyranny to give you that right. You bowhunters on the other hand are blood thirsty killers. You don’t fight for anything, using instruments of cruelty. I hope I hear more stories like that. Seven billion tricky bastards versus thirty thousand grizzly bears minding their own business. Look for trouble in the big city fighting gangbangers (watch out they shoot back) and their enabler politicians, my bowhunter “heroes”.
Allan Morrison, you poofter. Tell us: do you eat beef, mutton, poultry, seafood, pork or any other animal protein? If so, have you ever visited a slaughterhouse, or do you think animal flesh spontaneously appears shrink-wrapped in the frozen meat section of the grocery store? Try to iunbunch your panties, sir!
I think his comment was more about bow hunting being unethical since it is not a quick and clean kill. I am a gun owner and supporter of the second, however I do not approve of bow hunting I think a person should use a rifle to hunt and if you are not good enough with it to kill something quick you should find a new hobby, or practice more.
@dr, So because you don’t approve of something, all archers should change to something that you do approve of and the archery industry should vanish? You would substitute your judgement for ours; tell us what we need; what to think; and what to do?
Anything else that you don’t approve of? I don’t want to be outside of your guidance.
Gangbangers? Who cares about gangbangers? It is the pussy, libtard, metrosexuals that won’t pick up a weapon and constantly hide behind police protection that I bloodily thirst after. They wrongly use men’s names. They wrongly wear men’s clothing. And they wrongly speak in the company of men.
@AM, so how do you think that men took game before gunpowder? Seven billion would be everyone on this planet. Gang bangers are less troublesome than libtards. And finally as to drunkenness, how would you know about anyone other than yourself?
What are ya, a dang treehugger????
GPS
I was delighted to have a dream come true when in 2006 I successfully bagged a grizzly bear with a handgun in Alaska. Actually, I used two handguns. The first shot was with a single shot Thompson Contender chambered for the .375 JDJones cartridge. The following three shots were with a Freedom Arms .454 Casull. Because it was late in the evening when I shot my bear, we left it and returned to it in the morning for skinning etc. All of the while my guide was skinning the bear, I was standing “watch” for other bears. Of course, I… Read more »
Either you are ready or not.
Lots of armchair quaterbacks today!Unless you are there or have had this happen to you lets not smart off.Teach people what to do,yes they should have known before hand,hindsight.Teach the next hunter.I have not been attacked or seen a Griz but have been close enough to smell him and the present he left me in the trail.My pistol for backup is the Ruger Alaskan 480.
From the age of 10 to 17 my summer playgrounds were the Alaskan Nenana river and Savage River valleys and the area between them. I have the bonafides to speak to this topic. Sounds like you are the “armchair quarterback.”
No we haven’t been there. I’ve nevet been in bear country with a day old kill with my firearm in my backpack and I never will be. Sounds like your armchair QBing the commentary knowing nothing of the people nor their qualifications.
My caustic comment is, did Chubon take the elk venison with him as he flew home?
Wow, just wow. Where do I even start with this one? I’m sorry but to the so called “guide” was so flat-out STUPID and Arrogant. He without a doubt in the world should of been well armed with a rifle and a high-caliber handgun but instead he was used as a bear tooth-pick. And to the clown that supposedly threw a pistol to the idiot guide with nothing, yeah, that is equally ridiculous as well. I can’t imagine being in a situation like that but you don’t leave a man behind like that while you run away and call the… Read more »
I wonder which is heavier , the handgun that should have been strapped to your dumb ass or the guilt you will carry the rest of your life for running/saving oneself ? Einstein said 2 things are infinite , human stupidity and the universe and I,m not sure about the former 😉 , condolences to the family , listen kids , always carry a gun , there is dangerous vermin everywhere 2+4 legged , the boyscout motto better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
Not passing any judgement here, but I think the only one that knows what really happened that is still alive is the bear that was protecting his “found” dinner. Obviously the individual that fled the scene only knows what occurred before he left his guide to save his own hide. I sincerely doubt the pistol story … bears don’t collect firearms!
My belt buckle says I have the right to keep and arm bears.
You know what they call bear spray? A condiment.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Maybe he threw him the pistol so he could shoot himself. That woulda been a better option than the bear mauling.
I agree with Darkman and Roy as well.
Let me get this straight. Processing or packing an elk shot the previous day (In Bear Country). Left the only protection they had in a pack (In Bear Country). Obvious Darwin Award nominee. Stupid people doing stupid things resulting in DEATH !!!. Sympathy to the Family. None for the FOOL.
This is what happens when city folk decide they want to play “mountain man” and someone takes their money to facilitate it. Incompetent or coward, the results were the same.