U.S.A. — In a heated exchange during the House Judiciary Committee’s Oversight hearing of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives on April 26th, Chairman Jim Jordan questioned ATF Director Steven Dettelbach on the upcoming deadline for pistol brace owners.
On May 31st, 2023, millions of American gun owners could potentially become felons for possessing pistol braces, a fact that Dettelbach acknowledged.
Jordan questioned Dettelbach on the impact that this rule change would have on millions of Americans.
Jim Jordan: “..so you told them [American Gun Owners] not once but twice that it was okay, and I’m just asking does it bother you now that [what] you are doing, that you’re making the change that’s going to impact millions of Americans?”
The ATF Director replied that the rule was necessary to address inconsistencies in the definition of pistol braces. He further explained that specific products get presented for classification, and these products sometimes change. Therefore, the rule change was necessary to ensure consistency.
Jordan then accused Dettelbach of contradicting what ATF had previously told American citizens, and now millions of law-abiding citizens will be impacted by this rule change. Dettelbach denied this accusation, stating that only specific products would be impacted, and those impacted individuals would have several options, including detaching the brace from the firearm and keeping both, attaching the brace to another firearm, removing or destroying the brace, getting a longer barrel, turning in or destroying the firearm, or registering the firearm.
Jordan then asked what would happen to those who do not take any of these actions and let the deadline expire.
Dettelbach replied that it would depend on the facts and circumstances of each case, and if a person were unaware, they would not be prosecuted, even though they were now breaking newly created rules. However, if they were aware, they could potentially become a felon.
Jordan also questioned how the ATF would enforce this rule and questioned Dettelbach whether ATF would inspect people at gun ranges or go to manufacturers and look for lists of people they sold braces to. Dettelbach mumbled something about ATF would consider it as one of the charges when doing a search warrant in a drug case and discovering an unlawful item.
Finally, Jordan asked if the Gun Control Act or the National Firearms Act clearly and unambiguously prohibits pistol braces. Dettelbach replied that it doesn’t prohibit anything and calls for increased controls on short-barreled rifles. Jordan cited a court decision this week in the Sixth Circuit, where the court ruled that the statute does not clearly and unambiguously prohibit bump stocks. In that ruling, the court also stated that for a decade, the ATF maintained that a bump stock was not a machine gun part, and the ATF’s own flip-flop on this position is one of the reasons why the court ruled in favor of those opposing the rule.
The exchange between Jordan and Dettelbach was intense.
The ATF’s flip-flopping on rules and Dettelbach’s inability to answer questions about the impact of the rule change on millions of Americans is a serious issue for American gun owners, whose only crime was following those same rules. The lack of accountability and poor decision-making by a rogue federal agency raises concerns about the risk of law-abiding citizens being turned into felons. The exchange was intense, with Jordan accusing Dettelbach of contradicting himself. At the same time, Dettelbach defended the Biden-ATF’s decision, stating that it was necessary to ensure consistency and address inconsistencies in the definition of pistol braces.
A well regulated militia, being necessary to a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed — the second amendment — THE constitutional law of the land. We, the American citizenry, are the militia and as such we have the right and obligation to possess, carry and train with anything that a military would have. The second amendment makes no restrictions on what types of weapons we possess, it does, however, restrict the government from even infringing on out right to keep and bear arms. The atfe, governments, state and federal, who… Read more »
Nailed it ! Well said and on POINT .
Y’all give me a great big “AMEN” FOR Brother Bill!
Happened in the 1860s. Might happen again.
It is time to arrest and jail all atf people for constitutional breach
That couldn’t have been said any more eloquently.
I’m old, I’m tired, and in constant pain. I can think of no better hill than our Right To Keep and Besr Arms, to make a stand on. If nothing else, I can take as many with me as the Good Lord will allow.
God Bless and God Speed to you Deolorable Bill. It’s been an honor.
plant the flag…dont tread on me ……..
I saw a cool reference the other day: “No Step On Snek”.
Makes me hear the voice of some Eastern European mercenary in the back of my mind.
Chuck, please, always keep in mind; the point is not to die for your country, it is to make that other poor bastard die for his.
In this case, the other “poor bastards” are tyrants who wouldn’t be dying for their country, they’d be dying in support and defense of other tyrants.
Let it be in our time so that our children and grandchildren do not shoulder the burdens of our generation and its failures in maintaining our elected and appointed officials and to hold accountable those in office that abrogated our Constitution, our laws and our good nature. I will stand alongside any man that steps up to the plate, lest I get to the plate first.
I know more people over 60that would fight to protect the rights of their grandchildren than parents of those same children that would put schools on notice for indoctrination bs
Oorah!
That’s deep.
It’s okay, I’m a NAUI certified SCUBA diver.
You’ve got me out-speargunned. I’m only PADI certified.
“The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” – Thomas Jefferson “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government” – Thomas Jefferson “People are supreme, not the state. Waring vs. the Mayor of Savannah, 60 Georgia at 93. “The people of the state, as the successors of its former sovereign, are entitled to all the rights which formerly belonged to the king by his own prerogative.” Lansing v. Smith, (1829) 4 Wendell… Read more »
Excellent research Sir. I am familiar with Marbury vs Madison. Of course there also is; “If a man has no sword (the assault weapon of the day), he is to sell his cloak (his outer garments), and buy one”. Luke 22:36 This was said by the LORD HIMSELF. It might be of interest that HE was speaking while in a nation under occupation by Rome. Very much like us and the demoncrapic communists who are trying to destroy us and our country.
Arm up and carry on
FATFE has no authority to redefine statutory language or change the law, nor can they get around the rule of lenity with chevron deference: an agency cannot alter criminal law. They can’t legally redefine rifle, pistol, suppressor, stock, etc. But Congress has to smack them down, while remembering they also don’t have authority to police firearms, ban them or regulate them.
con…gress has no authority to change constitution .it is a lengthy process for a reason to keep authoritarians under control
Yep, Congress and the Senate have trampled our Rights for years, if not decades.
The entire RINO clan and the entire Left….
how this administration and agency can think they can re-write laws is incomprehensible. scotus in wv v. epa, recently reigned in a rogue government agency that overstepped it authority, yet batfe continues to do so, why? Dettelbach replied that it would depend on the facts and circumstances of each case, and if a person were unaware, they would not be prosecuted, even though they were now breaking newly created rules. However, if they were aware, they could potentially become a felon. yeah, right. again with the ambiguous language. so, they are only going to potentially prosecute these millions of pistol brace… Read more »
Lying comes naturally for these people and their democrat puppet masters!
demoncrat
demon is correct word
And I meant it, literally, in the Biblical sense
Right, I left out an n!
Yet Dettlebach expects us to believe him when he says the rule won’t be enforced unless you commit some heinous crime also. Yea, right
I’m wondering if we can believe him when he says removing the brace (from the standard buffer tube), and storing them “apart” will be considered as compliance, and not “constructive possession”?
You’re shitting us, right? Are you following the Ervin and Hoover (CRS.com) Selling KEY CARDS with an IMAGE of a Lightning Link on them. JUST A PICTURE! The ATF call them MACHINEGUNS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jqZQHjXFhs
Yes, I know, but we have Doodlebug, Herr Direktor of BATFE on video and audio stating so. Would be a slam dunk defense in court.
The “heinous crimes” will be the ATF agents attempting to enforce LAWS on U.S. soil that do NOT exist and their “willful intent, conspiracy and on and on” is well documented in their open planning in doing so. Let’s just pray that whatever blood that may spill is not that of innocent people.
Iam waiting for there to be a atf raid to “recover” forced reset triggers will be happy to help surround and disarm atf and jail them
I would love to see it, but I gave them my FRT last summer when they came knocking for “solvent traps”. Which they had wrong. Didn’t even know what they were looking for.
There are no innocent ‘people’. Only innocent children.
Diddle-back claims it won’t be enforced except as an add-on for another crime, a serious felony, like hate speech, mocking dementia joe for being a pedo and puppet, or spreading “disinfo” aka the truth, calling them on their BS, or opposing the agenda, or resisting tyranny, standing for freedom, defending the bill of rights… serious felonies like that…
No, your last sentence is reversed… It should read, “If government wishes to exist, it should NEVER attempt to wield power over it’s citizens.”
This…IRS plans to hire gun-carrying special agents in all 50 states | Fox Business
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/irs-plans-hire-gun-carrying-special-agents-all-50-states
Yup, I can confirm this.
I wonder just how the gestapo got started?
Arm up and carry on
it is the reason for underwood ammo in the carry
This brought to mind Al Capone. In the “roaring twenties,” he ruled an empire of crime in Chicago that makes todays democrat whack jobs jealous. Gambling, prostitution, bootlegging, bribery, narcotics trafficking, robbery, “protection” rackets, and the infamous Valentines Day Massacre using a full auto “Chicago Typewriter”. ( if you don’t have one, think about getting one). Even the corrupt FBI at the time, lead by J Edgar Hoover couldn’t touch him. It was the IRS that sent Capone to Alcatraz. When Capone died, a New York Times headline trumpeted, “End of an Evil Dream.” That is what the IRS, FBI and ATF… Read more »
I got a full auto “Chicago typewriter”; but the damned thing is registered.
You can build ’em smaller; you can build ’em lighter; you can buid ’em cheaper; but you can’t build ’em better.
Capone was a minor leaguer compared to this Marxists mafia. BTY, it won’t be a Civil War, it will be another revolution.
sounds like hunter biden
IRS wouldn’t have any stake in this issue being that anywhere from 10-40 MILLION taxpayers PAID TAXES on their pistol braces.
Against 10-40 MILLION citizens (Read GUN OWNERS) that own pistol braces as well as the 17-22 MILLION Veterans (Read TRAINED KILLERS)? I guess THAT line of thinking is pretty well along the lines of federal employees?
irs is replacing atf already
Mechanics don’t make effective killers. I nowhere near buy into that narrative…never did. So maybe 1% of that 17-22 million are actually killers.
It isn’t a narrative; it is a fact that EVERY service member is trained in bootcamp to use weapons in defense of this nation.
They’re already in all 50 states. They are law enforcement and work in the Criminal Investigation Division, a very small part of the organization dealing with actual, you know, organized crime. These aren’t the examiners you and I deal with because we forgot to include $300 from a 1099 on our return.
Asking for a concerned citizen…… At what point do all of the people who legally own pistol braces become classified as “drug dealers” and “gang members”? It sounds like the answer is on May 31, 2023.
Lol! That’s funny!
It’s prophetic. Yes, Your Honor, like I stated here on the affidavit…
The infringements on our rights will continue to grow until We the People finally say “NO”. The question is, will We the People still be armed when that day come?
the true People will be.
to the teeth, and some neat auto cannons
Oh oh oh I want one! I have wanted my own Bofors since, like, forever.
REAL people that aren’t armed will get armed.
need to buy a lot more aluminum to feed cnc
This our fault and a lesson learned. Trump pushed the bump stock ban. We didn’t push back. We gave what we thought was an inch. Now they are taking another inch. They will take another and another until guns are no longer legal to own. Remember this. Never forget. Not one more inch.
Take back lost inches by the yard.
HLB
Yard-arm?
mile
By lines of longitude and latitude.
I’m happy to give ’em 8 friggin’ inches.
and a noose?
WOW? I was hoping we could at least get through the next revolution without having to use such drastic measures.
It’s more if you measure from the underside.
I’m keeping my pistol brace and if they want it come and get it , since i’m already a felon i have nothing to lose so expect a resistance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uERn1ruaHbI
this administration is breaking every law by allowing these 3 letter agencies to make laws by passing congress who are the ones that are supposed to make the laws…..carry on you all the time and prepare to fight like hell
JUST IN: Jim Jordan Leads Fiery Hearing In Which ATF Director Testifies Before Judiciary Committee – YouTube
Can Diddlebuck say “EX POST FACTO”?
Can he also say “ALL legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a CONGRESS of the United States…..” ?
Dopey Joey SHOULD can this guy for operating outside his assigned lane. But he won’t
Joe “McSniffy Schitz-His-Pants” ordered that Brittleprick go after Braces. Can him? That Demented Dipschit will award this hole licker the PMofF.
Dopey Joey wouldn’t even be able to remember the guy’s name of if he was a relative or a member of Corn Pop’s poolside street gang?
I didn’t know that a rule was the same as law. Rules have to be made consistent within the a law otherwise it has no force of enforcement. That dumb Biden hole licker would put us all in jail if he could just because we enjoy our 2nd Amendment right.
The A-hole and all his other a hole buddies can go where it doesn’t snow and that ain’t at the equator I am talking about
History will read, “Millions of Americans marched on Washington D.C. to turn in their pistol braces, but stayed and ran the country instead.”.
HLB
Why don’t I believe ATF will not change its stAnd on rules it says it won’t change? Could it be since it’s hanging stands on -say, stabilizing braces, bump stocks, or short barrel rifles? Or maybe even definition of machine guns? These organizations are not to be trusted! I’m not willing to trust these liars nor those future heads of these organizations.
I reckon if the ATF comes a knocking, it’s time to answer the knock with a big bang.
Definitely, Food for thought.
50bmg makes a great reply….my land has posted signs trespassers WILL be shot and survivors will be shot again and local sheriff KNOWS I am serious
40 million plus… can the US judicial system handle that?
Looks like 120 Million baloney sammiches for the next 10 years… 3x’s a day for 40 million. Wonder if they’ll make the prisoners wear pink underwear like Sheriff Arpaio did in Arizona’s Tent City?
Say boss, can I get another sammitch anna juice?
Dettelbach quote: “those impacted individuals would have several options, including detaching the brace from the firearm and keeping both”.
That is not what the “rule” says. It says you must destroy the brace. If someone gets caught/charged with an unattached brace, I think they could have a good defense by quoting the Director of the AT.F
I cannot actually agree with the statement that the exchange between Jim Jordan and Dettelbach was intense because Dettelbach acted totally aloof as to what was even being asked, nor had a freaking clue as to the simple answers that were obvious!
He certainly spent a lot of time stumbling and fumbling, without answering .
At that time, having a brace is the equivalent of having a machine gun. Might as well drill that third hole.
I can not help but notice the similarities between the Temperance Movement of the 1920’s and your vocal blame-the-gun, blame-the NRA, blame and ban everyone and everything minority. The Temperance Movement made similar “common sense” promises that Prohibition laws banning “EVIL” alcohol was for our own good, family life would be better, employees would be more productive, violence would go down and our American society would reap a whirlwind of benefits. What a fantasy, instead entire families turned to easy money crime, violent crime increased to levels never seen before, organized crime was born, a law enforcement hatred was established,… Read more »
Outstanding post!
Two words: Unintended Consequences.
Rural stock tanks hide a multitude of sins.
Tennessee has a bill to make prohibited persons out of those with a prescription with an SSRI. Talk about making criminals overnight.
GOOGLE: John Noveske’s SSRI list You will find it on a website called TREBUCHET. He was promptly murdered after that last posting of his on Facebook.
I hate it when people get killed for publishing publicly available information that’s already been published by other people. Don’t you?
Maybe he just actually lost control of his vehicle as was reported. I lived in Eagle Point, OR for a while. Not far from Grants Pass. Some of the rural roads were a bitch to drive if you weren’t paying attention full time.
Stop perpetuation bullshit.
We are missing the boat here!!! The ATF does not have the authority to change rules, interpret laws, or make up new laws. They are appointed personnel not elected!! They are neither legislative nor judicial. It will take a while, and probably too late, like the decision on the bump stocks, these new RULES they are pushing on us will have to go to the supreme court to be thrown out. The problem, like I said, will be too little too late. There will be so many people that will destroy their braces, add a longer barrel, or worse case,… Read more »
WHOA! Are you talking about that boating accident that went down with all those pistol braces on it? “There will be so many people that will…” Do WHAT? WHERE are you getting your assumed figures? Do you not recall that only 500 Bump Stocks were ever turned in? This isn’t going to end up like Anhauser-Busch destroying their own company putting a mentally retarded primp on their label. THIS is a situation that these misguided morons in a federal agency making this situation an, US v. THEM situation, whereas WE are THEM and WE aren’t going to back down over… Read more »
Gotta disagree with your last. While true that BATFE has no authority to change or make law, they also can’t ask congress to make laws on braces (or anything else firearm related). Every existing gun law is an unconstitutional infringement. We won’t be having them go and make more infringements. Congress is limited to the enumerated powers in the Constitution, and further limited by the 2nd which prohibits all from infringing on our right to bear and keep arms.
Duddlebug omitted a seventh possible action….Confirm your fields of fire.
I’m with Jim Jordan in asking what is going to happen when they try to enforce a rule that infringes on our God Given and Second Amendment protected right. HOW MUCH BLOODSHED WILL THEY TAKE BEFORE BACKING OFF?
This conflict over the pistol brace might be because warriors, who had been damaged in battle, may, with the brace, offer resistance to our homegrown tyranny. Fulfilling constitutional design, with absolute knowledge of the risks involved.
Where is “Consent of the Governed” in all this gobbledygook?
It is undeniably clear that ATF, IRS (with 90,000 armed agents) and FBI are clearly and totally in the pocket of the extreme far Left. These agencies are the new GESTAPO, KGB, etc al national oppressors.
Our future looks bleak unless we are able to retake the Presidency, House of Representatives and Senate. Even if/when that happens, they must act swiftly and decisively to dismantle and reconstruction these agencies of oppression.
I’m sure that my peers would agree that there is a Biden in the Woodpile pulling the strings to bypass Congress on Firearms regulations!
I guess the mutts at the ATF didn’t read that clause in OUR Constitution about ex-post facto laws!
I haven’t read the other comments yet but my initial reaction to the head bat’s claim of ‘inconsistencies’ was YEP – because you as the head bat and other unelected bureaucrats have been waffling about braces since day one.
One of these days I’m gonna buy Jim a beer or two while carrying concealed
Great update Me Conroy. Much appreciated. Seems the ONLY ‘Rule Change’ that is necessary is to overturn the letter / decision creating the ATF. Cause and effect? MILLIONS of law-abiding citizens remain law-abiding and only THOUSANDS of ATF agents need to find a job, else-where outside the federal system.
need to find a place in a jail
Are there federal “sanitation engineers”?
If the government’s not supposed to infringe your rights to own a gun supposed to protect your rights to own a gun. I’m thinking that if everyone becomes or gets a felon or felony charge against them. They won’t be able to vote therefore; in the next election all you trump voters with guns can’t vote, so biden gets the victory. Both democrats and Republicrats are don’t care what you say about them. They’re all a uni party they all work together and Pat each other on the back, they don’t represent you. I know for the FBI is reading… Read more »
That law infringes on the Second Amendment, no ifs ands or buts. Simple as that and “Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.”. Oh sorry, now is the time for all good people to come to the aid of their (or whatever their pronoun is) country.
May 31st, 2023 = April 19, 1775
I never purchased a brace or a bumpstock because I did not trust the ATF . I knew they would pull this unconstitutional crap and go after law biding owners of those items eventually. The ATF is a bunch of chameleons that can’t be trusted .
Don’t forget that if your braced pistol is an import ATF has said that you cannot remove the brace. The brace is a compliance part for import under section 922 , and removing it makes the pistol illegal. You also apparently cannot register it as an SBR, either within the amnesty or the old fashioned way, though I am not clear on why. The only options open to the owner of imported braced pistols according to ATF are destroy it, and you’d better have evidence of that, or hand it over to law enforcement.
Not all laws are imposed by elected representatives of the people… Get used to it. The government isn’t just above the law. It is the law.