New York Court Rules Due Process Needed for ‘Red Flag’ Orders

By Larry Keane

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A New York court affirmed that Due Process rights must be taken into consideration when enforcing so-called “red flag” laws and vacated New York’s Gov. Kathy Hochul’s executive order for enforcing Extreme Risk Protection Orders (ERPOs) or “red flag” orders. That is consistent with what NSSF has said from the beginning about ERPOs. If an individual is going to be deprived of fundamental constitutional rights, they must be afforded the opportunity to examine and challenge the evidence brought against them – they must be afforded due process of law.

In New York’s case, the court requires that any “red flag” order must be accompanied by a determination from a physician or psychiatrist. That’s already part of New York’s laws. The court noted that New York’s Mental Hygiene law states, “… a person’s liberty rights cannot be curtailed unless a physician opines that a person is suffering from a condition ‘likely to result in serious harm.’ Further, in order to extend any such curtailment of liberty beyond 48 hours, a second doctor’s opinion must be obtained, and such an opinion must be consistent with the first doctor’s opinion.”

Doctor’s Opinion

This is a critical distinction to how Gov. Hochul wanted New York’s “red flag” law to be administered. Her Executive Order allowed for a police officer, district attorney, family or household member, school administrator, or a school administrator’s designee – which includes guidance counselors or school social workers – to petition for “red flag” orders. There was no requirement for a licensed medical professional to opine on the mental state of the individual in question. Her Executive Order required state police to file “red flag” orders on individuals “… when there is probable cause to believe the respondent is likely to engage in conduct that would result in serious harm to himself, herself, or others…”

That left courts in the position of determining someone’s mental health state without medical evidence to make that determination.

The Court’s ruling now requires that the supporting documentation must include a doctor’s determination. What’s more, is the Court recognized that Second Amendment rights are foundational individual liberties, and the state must clear a high bar when taking action to deprive someone of those rights.

Not a Second-Class Right

“Second Amendment rights are no less fundamental than… Fourth Amendment rights (the right to liberty), and must be provided the same level of due process and equal protection,” wrote Judge Craig Steven Brown.

That’s not just the U.S. Constitution that protects that right but also the existing New York Mental Hygiene Law. The court went further. It concluded that anyone subjected to a “red flag” order for more than 48 hours must have a second and concurring determination from another doctor.

NSSF has never opposed so-called “red flag” laws, so long as they provide procedural and substantive due process. Of the 19 states and the District of Columbia that have these laws on the books, none include sufficient or adequate due process protections. A New York Supreme Court has now held that they must be included.

High Hurdle

The firearm industry wants to keep firearms out of the hands of those who cannot be trusted to possess them responsibly. That includes prohibited individuals, those suffering through a mental health crisis or suffering suicidal ideations, and unsupervised children. “Red flag” laws have utility in protecting the public but must be carefully administered so these orders aren’t abused to disarm lawful gun owners.

The bar must be higher than mere accusations that someone is likely to harm themselves or others. ERPOs that would deprive a citizen of their constitutional rights must provide meaningful due process protections, including allowing an individual to examine and rebut any evidence presented to a court for consideration. For that reason, NSSF has significant concerns with ex parte orders, which are issued without notice to the individual who is the subject of the order. And, on the truly rare occasion when there are exigent circumstances to justify an ex parte order, due process requires a very prompt post-deprivation hearing.

The New York judge got it right with this decision. We should be providing all the tools necessary for law enforcement to protect the public against criminals and mentally-deranged individuals that have no respect for life or the law. Those protections, though, should never come at the cost of our foundational freedoms – including Due Process and Second Amendment rights.


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JimQ

I’m surprised that a court in NY got this case correct. Hopefully this adds support to fighting these anti rights laws across the country.

Parnell

The problem is that the Supreme Court in NY is not the highest court. That’s the Court of Appeals and I’m sure Hochul will waste no time having the AG file an appeal.

MacAttack

Even California courts know these left wing loons are infringing on 2A rights

Logician

Here’s a question that I keep on asking, but no one is capable of answering; WHERE is our written guarantee that we will actually GET a fair trial in a 100% corrupted legal system?? Isn’t it a gamble then, if we don’t have that guarantee? It is either a gamble, or a scam, take your pick there, because there’s no third option!!

HLB

licensed medical professional”

This is not relevant to the Constitution.

HLB

Bill

What is a fair trial? Usually, “justice” seems to be where the best paid lawyer, which can be afforded only by the wealthiest defendant, puts on the best magic and propaganda act in front of twelve people who would rather be at home playing solitaire on their computer. Please tell me that I am wrong, for I’d love to be wrong. About the worst thing that can happen to an innocent person in this country is simply to be charged with something, and then to usually face the choice of having a weak defense or a bankrupting one.

BigRed

So it boils down to a ’72 hour hold’, which every state has had a form of for 30 years…

Red flag laws are not as much about guns as they are about confiscation of property at large. In the eyes of the law, guns are property, granted, they are property we have a constitutional right to, but property none the less. If red flag laws were to stand, the government would segue this into all kinds of property confiscation without due process including your homes, rental properties, cars, etc…

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Logician

They do it all of the time already with the bogus Civil Asset Forfeiture laws!! Steal it now, “due process later” crap that the Idiot in Chief Trump wants to see happen!! Once the guns are gone, there’s no due process, but he’s too stupid to see that!

Lakefoot

You may have missed the last few years here but Trump has been gone for a while. Maybe you could check out all of the “freedom” that the current Big Guy is ladling all over us.

BigRed

Agreed

Trapman

But it’s reprehensible that something like Red Flag would even be considered. Almost like “Swatting”, which is highly illegal. Anyone can gain access to your whereabouts, never mind a jilted GF, neighbor or family member that seeks revenge, and gain a complaint that puts you in the cross hairs at 3AM. It should’ve never have been put into place. Constitutionally invalid.

Logician

But Larry, the USSC/SCOTUS said more than once that you can’t sue the police for not protecting you, because it’s NOT THEIR JOB!! Their job is to enforce the laws and arrest code breakers!!

Vince

Hurray!!!

Hazcat

A New York (!) court gets it right and DeSantis is defending Red Flag law in court!