The Biden administration will use executive orders and the weaponized ATF to issue a rule limiting the private sales of firearms. According to the New York Times and verified by AmmoLand News sources, the new rule is expected to be unveiled by the end of the year.
President Joe Biden plans to announce that he is directing the ATF to close what Everytown calls the “private sales loophole” and the “digital loophole.” The “private sales loophole” is when an individual sells a firearm for profit but does not possess a Federal Firearm License (FFL).
Biden will call on the ATF to develop a new rule requiring anyone who makes any profit by selling firearms to possess an FFL. Guns tend to increase in value over time. A gun purchased in 1980 will likely sell for more money today than its original value.
The so-called “digital loophole” includes marketplaces like Armslist Firearms Classified, where private individuals can list their firearms for sale. The Biden administration wants to see these marketplaces shut down, but it is unclear exactly how that unconstitutional goal will be accomplished. Websites like Armslist do not sell firearms directly.
AmmoLand News spoke to Armslist Founder Jonathan Gibbon about the attacks his company faces and the upcoming ATF rule. Armslist has been battling anti-gun groups for years, fending off several lawsuits. Armslist has a perfect track record at defeating these attacks, but the cases are costly.
“Private-party transactions are not a ‘loophole,’” Gibbon told AmmoLand News. “Buying and selling firearms is a guaranteed right under the Second Amendment. Interfering with state laws allowing citizens to exercise their Second Amendment rights should concern everyone. Americans have a First Amendment Constitutional right to use the internet, to communicate about their other Constitutional rights.”
The rule, currently in draft form, is expected to be announced later this year. The announcement will be followed by a public comment period. The Biden administration aims to reveal the final rule by late spring or early summer of 2024 and for it to go into effect by the fall of next year. The rule is still in the early stages of development, so the timeline is subject to change.
Previous ATF rule changes, such as the frame/receiver rule, bump stock rule, and pistol brace rule, have been successfully challenged in court. The courts have ruled that the ATF does not have the authority to pass these rules subverting the powers of Congress to make laws. In an attempt to head off another defeat, the ATF and the Justice Department will claim that the power to require private sellers to obtain an FFL was delegated to them by Congress through the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act (BSCA).
The passing of the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act last year changed the definition of what it means to be “engaged in the business” of dealing firearms. Section 12002 of the law outlines the definition. Read the BSCA at https://t.co/AA0Mu10KYc. #ATF pic.twitter.com/Rmi3u73uyV
— ATF HQ (@ATFHQ) August 4, 2023
The BSCA was a massive gun control bill that passed Congress with the support of some Republicans. The bill changed the definition of a “gun seller.” The BSCA altered the wording of Section 921(a) of Title 18, United States Code. The BSCA altered the definition of someone “engaged in the business” of selling guns from “with the principal objective of livelihood and profit” to the ambiguous statement of “to predominantly earn a profit.” Now the Biden Administration is exploiting that change through the upcoming rule. From the text of the BSCA:
(22) The term `to predominantly earn a profit’ means that the intent underlying the sale or disposition of firearms is predominantly one of obtaining pecuniary gain, as opposed to other intents, such as improving or liquidating a personal firearms collection: Provided, That proof of profit shall not be required as to a person who engages in the regular and repetitive purchase and disposition of firearms for criminal purposes or terrorism.
Many gun rights groups tried to warn Republicans such as Senator John Cornyn, chief architect of the BSCA, that the Biden administration would exploit the anti-gun law, but these pleas were ignored.
The main force pushing for the new rule is Everytown for Gun Safety. The Bloomberg-backed anti-freedom group sees the new requirements for sellers to obtain an FFL to get closer to universal background checks (UBC). President Biden and other Democrat politicians have taken millions of dollars from the group and will need the organization’s war chest for the upcoming elections.
Universal background checks have been a cornerstone of the Biden anti-gun plan, but so far have been a non-starter in Congress. With the President unable to pass any bill that includes UBCs, the White House is doing what it considers the next best thing.
This rule shows the gun community that any “compromise” will be used against gun rights, and the ATF claiming authority through the BSCA shows that the recent losses have the ATF scrambling to prevent future losses by pointing to legislation even if the law has to be taken out of context.
ATF Aiming at Private Sales of Firearms? ~ Bearing Arms’ Cam & Co
About John Crump
John is a NRA instructor and a constitutional activist. John has written about firearms, interviewed people of all walks of life, and on the Constitution. John lives in Northern Virginia with his wife and sons and can be followed on Twitter at @crumpyss, or at www.crumpy.com.
oh gosh, here we go again… the “public comment period”
I bought a very specific gun this weekend.. My intention is to keep it in the box and never shoot it… I see it making me some money down the road. Does it make me a “dealer” ? no, just a savvy business man.
I own two Colt Pythons that I bought back in the late 70’s for $250 each. AND two model 29 S&W’s for the same price. I guess if I sell any of them at market value, I’m a dealer. HUH? The main REASON they are worth more is because of the lousy monetary system with the ongoing inflation rate. According to https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ a $250 item purchased in 1977 would cost $1,258.70 today. If that is the case, I have to sell it for $1,258.70 to BREAK EVEN. EF the ATF. EF Biden. EF the feral gooberment. EF anyone who wants… Read more »
Well, the government can’t hold THAT against you because it was Bidenomics that dictated those prices, so THAT does NOT make you a dealer of profit, that just means you are recouping the exact monetary exchange caused by Biden.
and carter and billery
Nice, I have a King Cobra in the box… wish I had bought more.. I had no idea right before covid they were selling for $3k until my brother was talking about seeing one at a pawn shop.
Still not selling it… I LOVE blued guns.
I hear ya on the Snake revolvers. I love the deep blue… Got me a Python and Smith 28 purchased new back when.
OTOH I’m looking at something in stainless now just for the wear-ability for daily carry… The blued guns are worth too much now to carry!
I’ve looked pretty close at the new Colt Pythons in stainless. I like the 3″ and the 4.25″
They’ve came down in price since they first came out. I was on a waiting list. At the time they were in the $2200 range. I think they are about $1200 now. Poke around on an auction and you might get a great deal.
The wheel gun lives!
We can give thanks to BOTH parties for creating our fiat money. They both removed our dollar from gold and silver backing thereby engendering the “we’ll just print as much as we need” attitude of both parties!
Yea little did anyone realize when tricky Dick said he was “temporarily” taking us off the gold standard that he meant they would burden the us with so much debt that eventually it would destroy they dollar and we would only get full faith and credit if they creat a new dollar that’s backed with gold again.
And a thriving black market, including all the commodities the gubmint tries to deny We the People.
gold led and copper…bronze too
I sell my stuff not for profit because that would make me a business man. I sell my stuff because I have no relatives worthy of inheriting anything. I am merely turning my stuff into cash so that I can more easily give it to my favorite charity … the Alley Cat Rescue!! I am giving my entire accumulated fortune to the benefit of alley cats.
funny you say that there is a strip club in miami by that name
In my BellSouth days, The Alley Cat was just down the street from our Shipping Avenue yard in Coconut Grove. It had a huge fish tank over the main bar area. Sometimes the fish were more interesting than the dancers. When baseball star Jose Canseco and his wife, Esther, divorced, she was so bitter that she took part of the settlement she received and bought The Alley Cat, turned it into a gay bar, and renamed it Canseco’s. Imagine being a young alpha male Hispanic, star of a major league baseball team, and having your ex wife open a gay… Read more »
I like alley cats – both the feline type and those whom @swmft was referring.
Let ammoland know what you’re letting go and someone local may help you liquidate 🙂 Keep it in the web-family.
No clue if your post was entirely tongue-in-cheek. Still willing to purchase if you’re selling something interesting.
Bring back the Recycler.
It was a local barter for sale newspaper in Los Angeles that came out every Thursday at 06:00
I bought Guns, Cars, Trucks, Motorcycles, Boats, and the occasional Fishing Pole.
I loved that publication. I’d pick it up on my way to school in the 80’s
Then came Craigslist and ruined a good thing. Craigslist is still a total piece of sheit pubplucation. Unless you are looking for spam ads or hookers.
there was a military wide paper that had a un censored trading post that had anything and everything even brides searching for a groom
claim the loss see how fast they go apeshit
For sure you need to factor in opportunity cost. Let’s say that instead of buying the Pythons you kept the money under your mattress until the Microsoft IPO in 1986, were able to buy it at the opening price and held on to it like your colts. It would be worth about a million bucks today and you would be getting few grand a quarter in dividends.
and then there is enron and the thousands of other Pyramid Schemes that bilked investors al la Mike Milken
to wait for the perfect investment you would have to be clairvoyant, or be from the future
If you factor in inflation, they are about right. Keep the cost of selling matching inflation rate so it’s break even. Then, the box that is mandatory with it is several hundred more ….Plus packing fee, and tip
Well let’s see: According to Only Gold dot com, gold closed in 1977 at $161.10 an oz. That means any of those revolvers would have cost 1.55 oz of gold. Presently, gold is worth $1913.62 per oz. and 1.55 oz of gold would be $2966.11. So, by that reckoning each revolver is worth just under $3000 of these pieces of paper we call “money.”
I consider gold to have a constant value. It’s the fiat currencies that change. You would be losing actual money (gold) by selling at $1258.70.
A friend who was a financial planner as well as a gun collector talked about what he called “The SAA Index.”
When the Colt SAA came out in 1873, it would set you back about a $20.00 gold piece: an ounce of gold.
Last time I saw a price on a new Colt SAA they were asking pretty much the equivalent of an ounce of gold.
What the hell am I going to trade some of my rifles for? A new lawn mower? Fishing poles? It’s coming boys and girls. This nation is getting ready to explode. Once it starts in some places, it’ll move faster than the Maui wildfire. Be ready folks, know what you are going to do – who you can trust, where you can go if you have to tactically reposition yourself.
Your admission to being a business man plays right into their hands because the GCA 68 purports to be about regulating commerce ie business. You have to style yourself as something else (e.g. a collector).
No it doesn’t make you a dealer, it will now make you a criminal. Sad…..
No problem. I’ll just give my classic 6 inch Royal Blue Colt Python to Jim. Later on, I’ll wash and wax his car and he’ll be so happy with the result that he’ll pay me $2,500 for my services. Stop that, AFT!
@ Rob, you stole my thunder (LOL!); I was thinking along similar lines. I give away my Wilson Combat CQB, but with the CQB I include a Zero Tolerance knife that happens coincidentally to be valued at the market price of that CQB, therefore, I actually sold the knife and gave away the pistol. There are certainly several ways we can skin this cat. Biden certainly has a burr up his behind regarding civilian ownership of firearms. Oh, and no thanks to my US Senator, John Cornyn; he has not been of any help to the 2A community. He shoots… Read more »
Yeah, I literally hate that SOB.
“Defy, resist, evade, smuggle.” — Mike Vanderboegh
RIP Mike
” Pass rule ” the ATF has 0 power to make rules. These idiots at the ATF will keep trying to pass unconstitutional crap until they are disbanded and stripped of thier false perceived power . ATF you clowns can’t pass rules , that’s the job of congress but nice try .
Exactly. “Pass” is the wrong verb. It indicates debate, and by a body authorized to create laws, not the making criminal of that which is not criminal by a group not authorized to do so.
This will be done by fiat, without real debate, because that’s what they intended to do all along.
Chevron deference is going to be made null and void by SCOTUS someday soon, as it is completely without merit.
MB, I hope your prediction comes true.
A couple of thoughts: 1) How do they intend to enforce this? Like they do Fentanyl sales?
2) A federal rule is only as good as the party installing it remains in power. Then it can be tossed in the rubbish bin of history. What better time than 2024 to vote the democrats out?
They will do what they are doing to current FFL’s by sending the SWAT team in to enforce their illegal rule. They will send spies to the gun shows and record license plates and tag the people selling guns in the aisles.Then they will send the SWAT team in on a raid at 3:00am and kill anyone who comes to the door to see what’s going on when they kick it in. ATF will soon be offering citizenship to illegals who will be willingly shoot Americans during these raids. The citizens will be dead and it’s their fault for coming… Read more »
Excellent Book! I wish he’d written other books addressing the problem!
First read it many years ago; passed it around the friends and family who could read lol.
Abolish the FATF and Abolish FJB
FJB is going to try and get his digital currency laws passed! If that happens we won’t be able to breathe without the feds knowing about it! At that point watch how quickly they try and shut down the southern border! Smuggling would immediately be rampant. The tyrant couldn’t have that could he.
If Bruen meant what Bruen said, the only way the federal government can restrict who can sell a firearm is if the founders limited who could sell a firearm. But the reality is that the Supreme Court is not going to be so literal in their application of their own decision in Bruen. They will allow oversight and the right to impose some sort of order, even though no such paternalism would ever be allowed for the sale of bibles, philosophical treatises, etc. I expect the Supreme Court will deal with this under its recent decisions on the scope of… Read more »
OR we the people should start forming organized militias with everyone willing to gather in ARMED opposition against any one members rights. And with these apps available for phones these days, I suspect that if you have 100 fellow patriots on them and press a button that shows your location the administers of government will begin to fear the people the way it SHOULD be.
We don’t need to form any militias. With 17-22 Million Veterans across the U.S. (Most have all their gear) and the other Patriots, Rednecks and Radicals, we just need every fellow Patriot to register in a FLASH MOB APP.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.magpie.fmob&hl=en_US&gl=US&pli=1
Great… register so that fat boys industries can get the list – and start selecting individuals to make examples of. Unless list quickly goes from zero to functional overnight, it will be a huge risk to anyone signing up – and those examples may well deter additional participation.
If app comes to speed quickly enough, perhaps seizures (of “examples”) can be prevented. If so – good work!
I checked the site and the app is outdated (2012). So I couldn’t install on my phone.
We’re just antifa. After all we all oppose fascism, right?
Fact Hitler, Musolini, biden and harris are all fascists is besides the point. We are just a concept and not an organization – thus cannot be criminally charged for being part of an organization that does not exist.
left out nancy and diane fkstein
Slo CCP Joe is a “loophole”. That’s exactly how that senile fool got elected.
“Loop” is not the kind of hole I’d call him. Starts with an “A.”
Dont be shy, say it out loud.
Starts with a F@ck Joe Biden and ends with an He’s a f@cking Ass
Funny how congressional intent over time becomes someone else’s loophole. But as long as they’re inching towards “universal background checks” they’re still going to have to deals with one important roadblock. UBC would be unenforceable without universal registration per the DOJ. Universal registration is currently explicitly against federal law and not really changeable by an ATF rule or an executive order..In addition, how would any universal registration scheme deal with the vast quantity of firearms in circulation which were made before GCA68, have no serial number, and never did? “Firearms Owners’ Protection Act (FOPA), 1986 Under 18 U.S.C. § 926,… Read more »
It’s purely a mechanism for punishment after-the-fact. The ATF can’t stop me from selling a gun to my neighbor, but if they find out, they can toss me in the clink for 10+ years as an unlicensed “dealer” in small arms.
There’s a hole in their boat. The IRS was supposed to fine people who didn’t document that they had approved health care. But they could only take the fine out of your refund. No refund -> No fine. From what we’ve seen so far, the proposed rule will apply to those who sell firearms for a profit. What if you break even, or sell for a loss? Those who are required to have an FFL are required to keep records, but what if you don’t have/need one because all your sales are for a loss or break even? Are they… Read more »
I think the administration and the ATF are still trying to cover their tracks from the thousands of SERIALIZED firearms they illegally sold to the Mexican drug cartels as well as all the arms left behind in Afghanistan that are being found filtering back into the U.S. through our porous borders. We are also on the cusp (August 4th decision) of U.S. Supreme Court Justice Alito’s decision in current matters involving the sale of what is called “Ghost Guns”… https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-supreme-courts-alito-temporarily-blocks-ghost-gun-ruling-2023-07-28/ In general, reselling is legal. The Supreme Court has ruled in several cases that if you purchase something you are… Read more »
My guess is you’ll be charged and will have the same opportunity out Jan. 6th heroes had to probe your innocence, before being imprisoned.
The AFT already has a registry with over a billion records. The law never stopped a “law enforcement” agency from breaking it.
True.
HLB
They’re already attempting to ban “ghost guns” – by which they mean anything without a serial number. In NJ they instituted a law requiring serial number registered with a federally licenses manufacturer – making it more fun they classify black powder or other antiques as firearms along with BB-guns and pretty much anything else. They were making it illegal to own any of those pre-68 guns, any imported guns (serial number registered with importer rather than manufacturer), any BP gun or any BB gun. Not sure that last one was intended, but the rest certainly were! To make matters even… Read more »
And yet, gun owners still live in that state.
No every one can just move . That type of comment makes you sound foolish!
Not everyone can move readily and easily, but everyone could move. It’s only a question of priorities and determination.
I know I am sick of people moving out of NJ and then spouting off about how great NJ is.
Eyeballed from Texas, it looks like maybe the 2nd most Progressive screwed-up state in the Union, if not the first.
Hard to take the prize away from Commiefornia
Or Illinois.
NJ is a liberal dumphole, The fact that goofball Phil Murphy was elected governor is all you need to know about that state. I am from PA and vacation in NJ once a year, quite honestly I hate going there, NJ does not believe in allowing a person to defend themselves. I leave my CCW weapon at home since the laws are so strict- the libs in NJ would like nothing more than to bust a pro gun person from out of state- you won’t find any reciprocity in NJ. There are only 2 directions I can head from PA… Read more »
Good for you, we’ll be glad to have you!
EVERYONE (Some disabled excepted) can move, they just have to get up off their asses and DO IT!
So say the 50+ MILLION illegals from over 156 countries that have filtered into our country from our southern border here in Texas!
They just have to shed the complacency and put one foot in front of the other and repeat.
I agree that it would be easiest to move. If I lived in such a state I’d certainly consider divorce if that was what it took to leave – however a true patriot stands their ground. I applaud those who stay and fight for rights in the restricted-states (aka tyrannical-states). If those who support liberty cede too many states, we will have zero ability to fight federal laws except through national dissolution. Being a fan of our nation, and quickly approaching point when I’ll hope to collect social security – I support saving the US for patriot, altruistic and of… Read more »
I have a house on cape cod , where I learned to shoot and make my own black powder the left has made it so bad all the antique guns that came through the family would be destroyed if they knew they were in the house, and so are from the revolution
Just like here in Kommiecticut where it is already a crime to buy or sell a firearm without getting the blessing from and notifying the state, I and thousands of others will continue to NOT COMPLY with their tyranny. As a many times over paper felon, once you commit the first one, the rest are easy. I don’t care if its state or federal. Other than firearms bought at licensed dealers, I believe the state has no accurate idea of who has what. The “underground” gun economy flourishes here.
Maybe the ATF could pass a regulation that prohibited known drug users from purchasing a firearm. Then again, perhaps they could even make it illegal for felons to possess or better yet, make it a crime to steal a firearm. SARC intended.
Good luck with that nonsense of banning private sales. Unenforceable. These people are stupid beyond belief,Communists usually are.
The Constitution does in fact make everything this administration is doing in regards to second hand firearms sales repugnant.
Is it just me or do many of the readers on here see why we need to crap can statutory law and get back to common law. With common law there HAS TO BE A VICTIM for a crime to have been committed. All these INSANE statutory laws do is make the VICTIM to be the person charged under it and caged for violating it. There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to… Read more »
Thank you McConnell, Cornyn, Mukuilski, Romney, Collins, Graham and the other 13 swamp dwelling republi-gators who voted for this POS!
The Usurper Bidet, having stolen the election without consequences to himself, becomes banana republic dictator, has his competition arrested, and tries to end sale of weapons.
This is what is meant by the Chinese curse. “May you live in interesting times.”
It’s about time we stop blaming the anti-Gun Democraps. I can’t blame them for doing what they can to grab our guns; just as I can’t blame them for not investigating and prosecuting themselves. The Republicans had a majority in Both houses of congress, and the White House, and did absolutely nothing to investigate and indict a single Democrat. Now we blame them for the two-tier justice system? You must be kidding me. They go after Republicans (mostly Donald Trump), and we don’t go after anyone; Republicans don’t like rocking the boat, because their donors are bipartisan; and who among… Read more »
If I bought a gun for my own enjoyment – even if only to hang it on the wall and look at it (or boast to my friends) – then later sell it. Purpose was not “to make a profit” – purpose was to enjoy it. Only way monetary appreciation comes into the story is if I report profit to the IRS. As my purpose was never profit, I am not a dealer even if I make a million dollars. Of course with bidenomics, that million dollars will be virtually worthless anyway 🙁
Fuck Joedolph Biden and his ATF Gestapo. How the hell would ATF even find out or know about a private sale between two citizens?. Maybe they need to look up the word private in a dictionary….
18 U.S.C. § 242 This provision makes it a crime for someone acting under color of law to willfully deprive a person of a right or privilege protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States. Let’s start with conspiracy to defraud the American people and deprivation of right under color of law, conspiracy to commit malicious prosecution; How do you prove malice in malicious prosecution? Actual malice, or malice in fact, may be established by showing that prosecutor’s action was prompted by ill will, malevolence, grudge, spite, wicked intention, or conscious disregard of rights of another. 1976 Bain… Read more »
One word.
Malice = “Jack F@cking Smith”
Take your rule and shove it. Rules are NOT laws. They were not passed by an elected legislative body with due process, thus they are illegal. Shove them where the sun don’t shine.
Here is the bottom line of the bureaucrats of the atf, THEY CANNOT MAKE LAWS WHICH CARRY A CRIMINAL PUNISHMENT!! Neither can the PRESIDENT MAKE LAWS WHICH CARRY A CRIMINAL PUNISHMENT!!! CONGRESS —- IS —- the ONLY DEPARTMENT in OUR AMERICAN GOVERNMENT that CAN make laws that carry a criminal punishment!!
ALSO, According to the Founding Fathers of OUR AMERICAN CONSTITUTION, IF a “law” is passed and is CONTRARY to OUR RIGHTS, FREEDOMS and PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS, THAT “law” IS VOID and IS INVALID and CANNOT BE ENFORCED!!!!
Ho Hum…..same-o, same-o. It will not change as long as the IRS and ATF remain sacred to keeping thier vows to destroy the Constitution.
A gun purchased in 1980 will likely sell for more money today than its original value. this is a semantics game. Yes, the number of dollars needed to purchase that gun in 1980 was smaller than the number needed today, but the VALUE has not changed, as it now takes far more fun tickets today to buy the same or less than it did fifty years ago. Price and value are two different things. I bought my first Ruger 10/.22 in 1980. Cost me $79.95. My labour rate at that time was $25 per hour, thus I had to work… Read more »
Bureaucrats don’t overrule the Constitution.
The Constitution is not some magical force. Bottom line is it’s just a bunch of rules on an old piece of parchment. Some people drive the speed limit because its the right thing to do. Some people drive the speed limit because there’s a cop watching them. Some people just speed and f^^k everyone else. The Constitution is no different. “We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution… Read more »
The Constitution was laboriously debated with education, experience, and foresight and when enacted it magically created the limits on government which has impacted us for two hundred and fifty years. The Constitution has the power and authority to negate governmental action at the stroke of a pen. The Constitution magically guarantees our God given natural Rights.
I think that the Constitution is pretty magical.
You are quite correct.
They think they do.
Considering the atf just got slapped down again, and again.
This won’t happen.
As they do not have the authority, and everyone knows it.
Even an EO by brain dead can not do that.
It’s called interfering with interstate commerce and SCOTUS has already made rulings on that subject decades ago.
That’s what I’ve been saying. The Commerce Clause categorically would cause this to crash a burn. Won’t keep them from trying though. FJB is so senile that he doesn’t even know that he is the most hated man in America.
You deserve the Tyranny…You Allow. Something the Founding Patriots understood and dealt with appropriately. How will You deal with it??? As a Free citizen or as a Subject? The choice is Yours.
NO. FU#KING. WAY. PERIOD!
5h Amendent Violation, 2nd Amendment Violation and F them anyway
Thank you Republikans for going along with the Demoncrats and confirming Dettelbach as head of the Always Taking Firearms.
Joe Biden may be a bribe taking, senile old man who openly displays pedo tendencies, but he couldn’t do it without the Republikans and their help in confirming his SCOTUS pick, his ATF pick and so on…..
…yet BILLIONS of dollars in illegal drugs are ALLOWED to filter right into our nation and be sold and consumed en masse without a care in the world?
Enforcement of this egregious bill requires the government to determine the personal mindset of the seller. How can anyone, other than the actual seller, know what motivation may be prompting the sale of anything? Just maybe the seller doesn’t want something because it’s taking up space that can put to better use. That the seller may make an incidental profit on the sale of that item is secondary to having that added space available.
in jail? For what? Can NOT fiigure out what I said that is “suspicious” or “evil” or “wrong”.
Private…..sales…..
The downfall of this not-a-law idiocy is in the description of the words above.
If I (as a private individual) sell a gun that I purchased some years ago to another private individual, for cash, and neither of us records, tracks, or speaks of this transaction……how WILL the BATFEces find out?
Darn it! People will not be able to sell old guns that they inherited, made or otherwise came to own (without paying market value) at “gun buybacks”. This “rule” would make them a dealer and require a FFL. And it would require a FFL to do the “buyback”.
So in effect this rule would ban gun “buybacks”!
Since exempting private sales from the background check requirement was a compromise specifically given in exchange for the Brady bill, why should we, the People, continue to honor the other side of that compromise when they are trying to renege on their side of it? If you’re gonna say “screw the private sale exemption”, then I say screw your background checks. Yet again proving that yesterday’s compromise is today’s loophole that needs closing.
I can’t see this obvious violation of our rights lasting long before it’s slapped down by SCOTUS. Question is how many lives will be ruined in the process.
Never vote Democrat, and choose your conservatives wisely.
Are you reading this John Cornyn, you stupid Liberal asshole?
What a joke. Time to ignore the federal government in its entirety.
The premise on which they base this utterly unconstitutional ‘rule’ is that over time, guns appreciate in value, therefore the seller makes a profit, therefore he or she is in the business of selling firearms for profit, then needs an FFL. Bovine Scatology. This will get immediately struck down, because such an action is something House needs to propose, the Senate needs to agree, and the president needs to sign a bill. The BATF is attempting to circumvent the legislative function of Congress. I, for one, WILL NOT COMPLY. Go ahead and arrest me. We can make MY CASE be… Read more »
It’s not the case of the gun (or any other material object) APPRECIATING in value….it’s that the money DEPRECIATES in value due to FedGov dues, fees, taxes, and the ever eternal printing press and computers (BBRRRRRR……)
It takes more money today to buy the same thing that costs less money last year.
In baseball , if you are on 2nd base trying to steal 3rd, you are told to NOT look at the shortstop sneaking arround behind you but keep your eye on the pitcher. In this case it is the elections that run the game with sneaky corrupt leaders. And though some say this is a good reason to vote them out, a lying minority media has convinced nearly 1/2 the electorate all guns are bad. and these liars and stupid people devoid of historical knowledge will cheat to win. get involved with ballot harvesting next year as Trump has even… Read more »
So I avoid this by not selling any guns when I buy a new gun, down the road I just end up having more guns so ATF wants me to have more guns I guess.
First off the whole concept of profit is a fraud. Our government devaluates our currency and they call that a profit. Big Fraud!
Why don’t they knock it off? They never tolerated commercial gun sales any better!
they can pass as many fiats via the a.p.a. they want, but that will not stop people from doing what is not wrong nor unconstitutional, but may be illegal according to the administrative state. i obey laws that congress passed, not what the administrative state dictates.
seems like they are pushing for another revolution. doesn’t seem like they will win this one either.
The government can and will do whatever it wants. Time for Amendment # 2.
what is proposed is thievery of the first order. it directly deprives the citizen of his property.
shame!
Once again, we have Republicans to thank for this.
Republicans are the bigger enemy. They play to loose.
republicans throw up anything they think will drive contributions then cave, loose and say it’s your fault for not sending them more money.
Absolutely. The enemy within is always more dangerous than the enemy at the gates. Unfortunately, too many here believe voting for known infringers again is somehow going to stop infringement.
You’re the damn problem. Both of you idiots. Republicans are the cause of this, that is such a stretch only idiot savants can believe that. Go away and play with your comrades.
Stag…….. I have $3 bills for sale cheap…….you seem like my ideal buyer
My mistake!!!! I meant to address the above comment to Bigfootbob……..my apologies to Stag
We speak out against infringement no matter who does it and we’re the problem? Republicans are 100% the cause of this. There’s not a single arms law on the books that was passed without Republican support. The Bipartisan Safer Communities Act was authored by John Cornyn, a Republican from Texas. FixNICS, gun control also authored by John Cornyn, was signed into law by Trump. Why do you support arms laws and those that enact them?
Trump could have done away with this if the Republicans would have stuck together and done it.
Both parties distort our Constitutional system. Both parties make government about profit rather than the people. Parties should be outlawed. Candidates should put their resume on line.
The R’s are worse because they pretend to be on our side.
we know the d’s are commies.
Just like you know mcconnell is a tool and a patsy for the dems by the fact that the media isn’t covering his stroke
And of course, mcconnell is a bought and paid for tool of china just like biden, feinstein and multiple other TRAITORS the media is subborning
Still waiting for Obama to take my guns
The longer that you hold your breath, the more it helps. Try it!
HaaHaaHaa now that’s funny!
Good advice too
Doesn’t surprise me at all.
He is still trying, with his hand up Biden’s ass.