Laws Requiring Permission to Obtain Guns Look Vulnerable: Good Bye FID Cards

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According to a landmark 2022 Supreme Court decision, the Second Amendment constrains the requirements that states may impose on residents who want to carry guns in public for self-defense. It stands to reason that the same is true of the steps that people must take to acquire guns in the first place.

That is essentially what the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit concluded last week, when it ruled that Maryland’s handgun licensing system is inconsistent with the right to keep and bear arms. The case exemplifies a new front in constitutional challenges to gun control laws under the Second Amendment test that the Supreme Court established last year.

To pass that test, a law must be “consistent with this Nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation.” But Maryland’s law, which requires would-be handgun owners to complete a process that can take up to 30 days, bears little resemblance to regulations enacted in the 18th or 19th century.

Maryland is one of 14 states that require background checks for all firearm purchases, whether or not the seller is a federally licensed dealer.

Since 2013, Maryland has imposed an additional requirement on handgun buyers: They must first obtain a “handgun qualification license,” which entails completing at least four hours of firearm training and undergoing a seemingly redundant “investigation” aimed at screening out people who are legally disqualified from owning guns.

Maryland argued that its law fits a tradition of disarming “dangerous” individuals, such as people with felony records, illegal drug users and people convicted of domestic violence misdemeanors. But even assuming those categories of “prohibited persons” are validated by long-standing practice, 4th Circuit Judge Julius Richardson said, Maryland’s statute goes further by “preemptively disarming every person until they can each prove that they are not dangerous,” which “burdens a far broader swath of people.”

Writing in dissent, Judge Barbara Milano Keenan highlighted the Supreme Court’s distinction between “may issue” laws like New York’s, which required carry-permit applicants to demonstrate “proper cause,” and “shall issue” laws, which make permits available to all applicants who meet “objective criteria.” Maryland’s licensing system for handgun buyers falls into the latter category, Keenan said, which suggests the Court would be inclined to uphold it.

While the Supreme Court did indicate that “shall issue” laws could be consistent with the Second Amendment, it also noted that “any permitting scheme can be put toward abusive ends.” It therefore did not rule out “constitutional challenges to shall-issue regimes where, for example, lengthy wait times in processing license applications or exorbitant fees deny ordinary citizens their right to public carry.”

Although it’s not clear what counts as an unacceptably “lengthy” time to wait for permission to obtain a firearm, the 4th Circuit majority thought a month was too long. If so, the laws of other states that license gun buyers could be vulnerable.

Illinois FOID Cards Top 2,000,000 Gun Owners
Illinois FOID Cards Top 2,000,000 Gun Owners

To buy or possess a gun in Illinois, for example, you need a “firearm owner’s identification card.” Although the maximum processing time is supposed to be 30 days, the average was more than four months in late 2020, and it still exceeded the statutory limit in the first three quarters of this year.

In New York, where licenses are required to possess handguns or semi-automatic rifles, the minimum wait time is four months. The New York Police Department says processing takes “approximately six months,” while Ontario County advises applicants that they should expect to wait “eight months to one year.”

Notably, people have to jump through these hoops merely to possess guns on their own property legally. Getting permission to carry guns in public is a separate process that typically requires more time, effort, and expense.

The Supreme Court has rejected outright bans on handguns and laws that give licensing officials discretion to decide who may publicly possess firearms. It eventually will have to deal with the question of how far states may go in requiring permission simply to own a gun.

Read Related: The NJ Firearms ID Application, Intentional Trap For The Unwary?


About Jacob Sullum

Jacob Sullum is a senior editor at Reason magazine. Follow him on Twitter: @JacobSullum. During two decades in journalism, he has relentlessly skewered authoritarians of the left and the right, making the case for shrinking the realm of politics and expanding the realm of individual choice. Jacobs’ work appears here at AmmoLand News through a license with Creators Syndicate.

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Arizona

Free men don’t ask permission.

Those “laws” are repugnant to the Constitution and thus are not laws at all and have no legal force or standing.

Its coming to a head soon.

Darkman

Like laws, even the Constitution is nothing more than words written on parchment. Like laws good or bad, Constitutional Rights require either the force of government or the people to maintain. Simply, because neither can do so themselves. John Adams said, “Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” Morality and virtue are the foundation of our republic and necessary for a society to be free. While i have little use for the worship of religion. I do believe the tenants of the 10 Commandments are the… Read more »

Arizona

All good and true points. And the force, or implied and threatened force of an immoral government and media are ignoring their duties and instead abusing their power and position. All while the People leave a vacuum, refusing to step in and step up and defend their rights. Citizens will be abused if they tolerate it, or treated with respect if the demand it. Too darn few are demanding respect… but the breaking point approaches

Darkman

which explains my continued comment: You deserve the tyrants and tyranny…You allow. It often gets down votes by anonymous keyboard trolls or others whining about being pointed out. Which is the purpose for the comment. If you are whining. You must not be acting.

musicman44mag

No, we are bitching because we are being called pussy’s when we are actually getting out and doing something and have done so in the past unlike you who has never served and won’t leave his fox hole to protect others and is nothing more than a keyboard warrior.

Musciman44mag, not whining, not a troll and not anonymous.

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Logician

OK, that’s a good comment, but how many times have you sent anyone my paper The UNIVERSAL Get Out Of Jail For Free Card! to? How about any of my other papers that I have posted on here?

musicman44mag

Papers? I am not responsible for circulating your writings and I don’t understand how you would think that I or anyone else would be.

We are here to promote We the People, which is gun safety, preserving the 2nd amendment in its original form and our other rights that are being taken away, infringed and violated on a daily basis.

Anything else is gibberish like fighting over the definition of something or a phrase that is condescending to patriots that have fought for this country.

Logician

Exactly right! The ones who like to give down votes to freedom and liberty, need to just stay away from this site, because they’re only wasting their time reading what is here! Their down votes may give them a warm and fuzzy feeling, but that is all that it does! No one here who can think logically instead of having knee jerk reactions all of the time, respects them for having a wrong opinion about anything! We just shake our head and wish that they would go some place else.

musicman44mag

the Constitution is nothing more than words written on parchment

Words of a leftist. If that were true, people would not be willing to die to protect what it stands for. There has been blood shed for that document and it stands for freedom which is more than words and paper.

Oldman

Your words are true. Problem is: People willing to put their lives on the line for the Constitution are beginning to dry up. Not because they don’t believe in it………they consider themselves Patriots and would probably want to, but it is like twisting in the wind, and with the current administration and the attitude of our current level of socialism?, why should they bother? Trump would have leveled every missile site in the Middle east that fired rockets and injured our volunteer service men as soon as the first ones were fired. That would have stopped all the rest. Joe… Read more »

musicman44mag

I typed up 5 paragraphs for you and then thought, why preach to the choir or say something that you already know so I shortened it to this which I’m sure you realize so consider it a comment for others that don’t see the light or the leftist/libtards that troll our site to get pissed off by. There are allot of people getting pissed off for multiple reasons, racial, financial, religious, political and concerns about our security including that of the world’s security. When people are scared, they react. We need to start pushing that the democrats have included us… Read more »

Logician

For all of the accolades you and other people may shower upon Trump, he’s still a big, stupid buffoon because he isn’t smart enough to see through the Covid-19 scam at the beginning like I and many others did! The Trump/Biden/Fauci Death Jabs have killed well over 20 million people so far, and the number will be in the BILLIONS before too much longer! The US military is now trying to get back the ones who were smart enough to just say no to the TBF Death Jabs and walked away from their career! What does that tell us? It… Read more »

musicman44mag

I don’t expect you to remember that Trump was against firing people that refused to take the jab, wanted back pay for the time lost that they were unemployed and has stated several times that they should all be reinstated, something the left is finally getting around to. In addition, with my support, he didn’t want faggots in the military just like when I served. USMC

If you are going to diss President Trump you have the right, but at least get your facts straight or are you one of the people that only care about your truth?

Considerthis

The Logician has made it quite clear that he opposes Trump returning to the white house.
Seems to me that now the next logical step would be to reveal exactly who he believes should be the next president.
He has expressed great disrespect for the Boomer generation ( despite how illogical it might be to condemn an entire generation based on a sweeping generalization ) so this is his big chance to straighten us all out, please don’t disappoint us.
Just give us the name, please.

Bob

Slojoe should be in supermax as a convicted traitor. He’s beholding to China and local communists. There’s no way he can be trusted with classified documents and therefore should not be able to hold office of any kind.
Considering his offense he should be hanged for treason. He’s probably sold or given our secrets to China.

Boom

Damn you’re on fire today Musicman…or well, yesterday..

Logician

I would like to know who these retards and ultra big government sycophants are that put down votes to logic, truth and reason! Granted it is their right to remain stupid and ignorant for all of their life if they want to, but they should just keep it to themselves!!

Oldman

Granted…… it is your right to keep reminding us that you are logical and we are not. Probably you should just keep it to yourself and we would have no Reason to downvote you or call you stupid anymore. In other words…..F off!

MICHAEL J

Permission to purchase card is what California imposes on it’s subjects if they want to buy any firearm. They call it a firearm safety card but make no mistake it’s a fee disguised as another tier that only allows a gun buyer to start a transaction and is not part of the background check fees.
Bottom line is, without this permission to buy card there cannot be a gun purchase.
So far, no one has challenged this infringement.

musicman44mag

They are pushing for the same thing in Oregoneistan. We have been fighting it and will continue to fight via money and organizations like Oregon Firearms Federation OFF and other groups have led the way against it on different levels.

When will states be forced to follow supreme court rulings. Until that happens we will have open boarders and sanctuary states and cities and our problems with drugs and gangs will continue to destroy America from within.

Trussman

Refer to the picture that goes with the title of this article, kind of says it all. I’m a very black and white person, I don’t understand how someone can look at the 2nd amendment and not understand it’s simple meaning, there in plain english. It doesn’t have any exceptions or exemptions, it is a simply worded statement. It is not a multi-paragraph, multi-page document that is open to interpretation. Yet, one sentence containing 27 words, is the most debated piece of our founding documents and amendments. Some lawyers and judges sure can complicate simple things. Makes me wonder, where… Read more »

PMinFl

Gone with the wind, and politicians are full of wind.

DDS

Remember that “Big Red Wave” we were promised in 2020, and again in 2022?

Didn’t happen, did it?

Don’t count your chickens….

musicman44mag

Doesn’t all the crap Joe is cramming down our throats and the state of the economy make you wonder why? How can anyone vote to be kicked around and slapped in the face again. I think they still have control of the vote.

DDS

While the Democrats seem to be adept at giving us something to vote against, the Republicans seem to have a lot of trouble finding us something to vote for.

Sometimes that lack of “fire in the belly” is all the difference it takes.

I read somewhere that if Trump (Mr. Bump Stock Ban) had come up with 34,000 additional votes in just the right states, Sleepy Creepy Joe would have been the loser.

musicman44mag

Iv’e watched videos and seen footage enough to know that all across America the cheat was on. 34,000 is tidily winks compared to the amount of fake votes uncle joe got always inching past Trump and never a blowout. We really need to push, voter ID for naturalized citizens and clear the voter rolls and make sure that O’biden doesn’t give all the illegals citizenship like he thinks he is going to do before he leaves. Between that and vote by mail only, we are never going to fix the problem. Since Oregoneistan made vote by mail in 1987 mandatory,… Read more »

Logician

Mr. “Take the guns now, due process later” Trump is an idiot in many subjects, guns and vaccines are NOT his strong suit! Due to his gullibility and over inflated ego, he helped to usher in the death of 95% of Humans! He played right into the hands of the globalists who came up with their evil plan to trick and cajole people into committing suicide! Watch the video of Dr. Sherri Tenpenny explaining how the T/B/F Death Jabs will kill people!

musicman44mag

Trump put the fast track on a vaccine he did not develop it. Our drug companies were the ones who made it and said it was good all under the name of Fauchi getting rich and the other leftist elites that are invested into the drug trade. It’s not fair to hold someone responsible for other people’s undermining actions like you are doing. That’s no better than all of us having to turn in our AR’s because one leftist asshole shot up the crowd. It’s like holding all manufactures of guns responsible for others actions. It’s like “gun violence”, Trump… Read more »

swmft

you left out the lies they told trump to prevent mass use of far c 222 nm lights to control spread of disease

Considerthis

So,… enlighten us !
Who does Mr. Logician endorse as the next POTUS ?
The strident anti-Trumpism, your heartbreaking disappointment in abortion being handed back to the states are earmarks of a liberal democrat. Are you upset about global warming too ? Since you have not stated who you would endorse, I will just assume you will vote for Biden,… again.

Oldman

Logician is an Oxymoron for a robust follower of Biden as you have assumed. (as most of us here have, except for a few people who are intrigued with his pseudo name, thinking it actually means something) Basically just a troll calling anyone who disagrees with his rabid leftist statements stupid, foolish and ignorant.. He should find a suitable bridge and crawl under it so that when the river hits flood stage he will drown. That is where he should aptly apply his logic. But, he won’t.

Boom

Old man — while this is going on, I’m just wishing someone would acknowledge the fact that I have a new pistola on the way….and talk to me about it ….. 🙁

I was looking forward to some insight….

Logician

Of course they have control of the “votes”! Read the book called Votescam sometime! It is all laid out in that book how it is all done! There have been a few changes in how they steal the votes since that book came out, but they are still stolen nonetheless!

HLB

It may be chickens don’t matter. The trajectory of the country is consistently more and more government control and less and less individualism. We are out numbered.

The only way to keep our rights is to use our rights. Don’t go around hiding your guns. Show them. Be polite, but show them. It is not my fault that I am a minority now. But it will be my fault if I let that bring about my downfall.

HLB

2A Gun Guy

And Hopefully Assachusetts Too!

StLPro2A

Maybe the police in those Lefturd jurisdictions should not be able to have any guns as long as there is a single We The Little Peep waiting for any type of so-called permission to exercise their 2A rights. Get in the back of the line…..

Laddyboy

You forgot to mention the maryland state police charge a $10.00 fee in order for a Law Abiding Marylander to obtain a “controlled weapon”. This FEE IS IN ADDITION to the “HQL” cost! Controlled weapon = handgun and lower receivers.

musicman44mag

Readem and weep Oregoneistan, Washington and Kommiefornia!!!

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Logician

Yes, I have read them, and I am weeping.

Boom

….like i just said on another article:

I JUST BOUGHT A WALTHER PPQ M2 45!

I CANT WAIT TIL IT GETS HERE