Trump Rallies the 2A Faithful in Pennsylvania

Donald Trump speaks to NRA
The Stakes in 2020

On Friday, February 9, President Donald Trump took the stage at the NRA Presidential Forum held in Harrisburg, Penn., to the approving cheers of the thousands in attendance.  The Forum was one of the culminating events during the nine-day NRA Great American Outdoor Show—dubbed The World’s Largest Outdoor Show—an annual event that celebrates hunting, fishing, and outdoor traditions.  This year’s event saw the most attendees ever, with more than 200,000 people making their way through 650,000 square feet of exhibit area, viewing more than 1,000 exhibitors.

Trump started things off with the proclamation, “Your Second Amendment will always be safe with me as your President.”  He added, “When I’m back in the Oval Office, no one will lay a finger on your firearms.”

The crowd roared its approval, and the 45th President of the United States went on for more than an hour making his case for being elected the 47th on November 5, 2024.

With thousands of NRA members, hunters, and other outdoor enthusiasts gathered, the former president delivered one of his trademark performances, transitioning smoothly from boilerplate campaign stump speech exposing the policy failures of the current administration to jabbing at the members of the media in attendance—yes, he used the term “Fake News”—to riffing on the myriad problems (cognitive issues, corruption allegations, historically low approval polls, etc.) confronting Joe Biden.

But what the vast majority of the crowd was there to hear was what Trump would do to defend our Right to Keep and Bear Arms.  And they were not disappointed.

He spoke about Biden’s “non-stop war on gun makers, dealers, and sellers designed to put the entire industry out of business.”  If elected, Trump promised, “Every single Biden attack on gun owners and manufacturers will be terminated my first week; maybe my first day (in office).”

He said he would fire Steve Dettelbach, the anti-gun Biden appointee who is the current director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF).

Under Dettelbach, the ATF has implemented a number of anti-gun policies (some of which are facing serious legal challenges), such as the new rule on pistol braces and efforts to create its own interpretation of the federal laws on firearm transfers.  Trump also referred to ATF policies that have been implemented that are being abused to shut down licensed gun dealers for minor paperwork errors.

To help show the difference between how different he and Biden are when it comes to the firearms industry, he reminded the crowd that he had made sure to designated dealers and manufacturers as “critical infrastructure” during the 2020 pandemic, so that they could remain in operation, even as some states with anti-gun governors and local authorities tried to force them closed.  Trump pledged to reverse ATF’s Draconian new regulations and policies, although the courts may take care of some before he gets into office if he is elected in November.

In addition, the former president said he would fire United States Secretary of the Interior Deb Haaland, another anti-gun Biden appointee, whose position can have a considerable impact on hunting and recreational shooting on public lands.  As a contrast, Trump pointed out that, while president, he opened up “millions of acres of public land” for recreational use.

When it comes to personal protection, Trump stated clearly, “You have a right to self-defense.”  He also noted that he would work to ensure national Right-to-Carry reciprocity is finally achieved, should he win in November.

The former president also referenced the landmark decision in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen; and it should always be remembered that three of the six justices who came down on the side of our right to self defense outside the home in that decision were appointed by Trump.  He even recounted how he, during an appearance at the 2019 NRA Annual Meetings & Exhibits in Indianapolis, Ind., officially announced he was pulling the United States out of the United Nation’s anti-Second Amendment Arms Trade Treaty.

You can watch his entire speech here, but for those interested in seeing the real thing in person, he promised to be at the 153rd NRA Annual Meetings & Exhibits in Dallas, Tex., which takes place this year on May 17-19.


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Tek_180

While he is better than Mr sleepy you cannot trust him to make good decisions regarding the 2nd. He did ban bumpstocks remember. It would not surprise me he didn’t do the same thing with semi automatic firearms.

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incorrigible

Amen. As usual, we are tasked with selecting the least bad , viable candidate!

HLB

That is not the limit of our options.

HLB

incorrigible

What else can we do, that will accomplish anything?

HLB

The same thing Patriots did prior to our Revolutionary War.

We can start to show ourselves in the face of the enemy.

HLB

incorrigible

What, as a prelude to armed insurrection? Or, as the opening of the insurrection itself?

HLB

That depends on what is done to us. Showing yourself is a way of presenting your demands. If the other side does not know you are there, how can they respond? It is like a visual conversation. If Trump does not know we are unhappy with certain things he has done, how can he respond? If Trump is aware that the competition in the election can use what he did to us against him, he may elect to resolve the matter first, rather than later. They should be aware of us.

HLB

incorrigible

Oh, I’m pretty sure that they are aware of us, even though they try to ignore us!

Bozz

I trust Trump more with our 2A rights than Biden or any other democrat.

Grigori

You can say that and still not be saying a whole lot in favor of Trump being the “guardian” of our gun rights.

StLPro2A

….the lesser of two presented evils….see above pots on Trumps 2A failures.

Ram

Most distressing about his handling of the bumpstock issue, when a billionaire is upset by what he views as inactivity he reflexively takes control to get the ball moving. That was when Trump (inadvertently)
empowered the ATF to enact law (under guise of policy), which is an
abuse of their authority, and one of their favorite tools.

OldJarhead03

As usual, a power demonstrated will be a power used. We saw this with Obumma and his “I have a pen and a cell phone” executive order BS. The demos were giddy thinking the Hill-n-Bill traveling grifter show would be next up. Then DJT floated into the punch bowl. NO politician or bureaucrat can be trusted. They will do what is expedient at the time, and the national debt is glaring proof.

Bill B

I think our political system is good cop/bad cop no matter who you vote for, THEY ARE ALL COPS WHO ARE TRYING TO STEAL OUR FREEDOM. The only politician i trust is the one who just exhaled his final breath! Don’t trust people who do not treasure your freedom like you do!!!

Wild Bill

The only temptation we have to them is the contribution. The only power we have over them is the vote.

HLB

Not so. We have the trepidation factor. Once they have won power they do not want to have it taken from them.

HLB

StLPro2A

We should….per Tommy J’s opining, have the 2A power over them. Alas, we have acquiesced that power for a hundred years. Tyrants fear We The Little Peeps no more. They feel no personal risk, responsibility, accountability, personal repercussions for their plunder and tyranny.But, that potential fear is the WHY behind the Libturds’ fetish for gun control for the Peeps, not themselves. In Thomas Jefferson’s letter of 1787 to William Stephens Smith, the son-in-law of John Adams, postulates on the newly drafted Constitution and what it will mean. One of his statements succinctly deals with our situation today, and I quote:… Read more »

Arizona

Jefferson was spot on. And we saw that the citizens kept the past politicians more in line than we do today, by employing measures to do so, like duels or tar and feathering. Politicians today see that no matter how vile, corrupt, repugnant and immoral their acts, they suffer no consequences nor accountability, not from their peers and associates in gov nor from their true and actual employers, We the People. The Left and authoritarians on the Right want to disarm citizens to ensure there isn’t even a potential or possibility of being held to account by the governed when… Read more »

Grigori

By the downvotes to Arizona’s comment and others on here like his, I gather we have a fair number of politicians on here who dislike his thinking. That, and/or a fair number of boot lickers. I wonder what their favorite flavor of boot polish is.

Grigori

Wow! It didn’t take long for the boot lickers to come out with the downvotes.

Arizona

I don’t even trust them after their death rattle.

Bill B

Trump is NO FRIEND to American gun owners, no matter what comes out of his mouth. He is a northeastern big city moderate at best and he rubber stamped the bump stock ban and would support red flag confiscations. He might have done some good overall BUT if he harms our right to defend ourself against tyranny then I DON’T TRUST HIM and neither should anyone else!

Wild Bill

Remind me again, who is the alternative to Trump?

HLB

We, collectively, are.

HLB

JNew

It was DeSantis, until the Kool-aid drinkers blew it for us.

Bozz

Do you trust a guy who says he won’t take your 2A rights, or do you go with the guy who is determined to take your 2A rights?

Grigori

I don’t know if “trust” is the correct word or not, but I would rather deal with the guy who is honest enough to tell me that he intends to do bad things to me than the one who pretends to be my friend, but pulls out a knife and stabs me in the back. There is a word for that second guy, I believe it is “traitor”. There are reasons they are treated differently in time of war and held in much lower esteem than uniformed enemy combatants. Good reasons!

StLPro2A

Play it again, Sam, for they listen or learn not. “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies… Read more »

Grigori

One of my very favorite Cicero quotes!

musicman44mag

FJB and all of the democrap party.

Trump/Noem 2024

Matt in Oklahoma

President Trump used illegal methods to enact gun control. He wanted to do the same to suppressors and would have if not for his son.
There is NO 2A Candidate
Members of the NRA are easily fooled as history shows

DIYinSTL

FWIW:
Tulsi Gabbard claims to have had an epiphany on 2A: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T554Gt0iL5k
Vivek Ramaswamy, before he suspended his campaign, professed to be a 2A absolutist. At about 19 minutes into a conversation with Colion Noir he agrees that full auto should be perfectly legal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwBC-s7Quis

Montana454Casull

Trump needs to go back a sign an executive order changing his bump stock ban and his fix NICs crap or he is just slightly less offensive to gun owners than Democrats . Infact he use to be a Democrat so he better get rid of those Democrat ideas if he wants American gun owners to trust him and support him 100% .

slipkid

He will work with Dems on this as soon as there is another FBI mass shooting he fold like a cheap suit , just like Vegas

Grigori

And you can bet that GovCo will sponsor another shooting when the time is right for them, just as they did in Vegas.

StLPro2A

Trump is not a pro-2A politician….only when convenient for his election purposes. Trump has blown smoke up NRA members’ asses at NRA convention multiple times. But, he has failed 2A supporters repeatedly….National Reciprocity, Hearing Protection Act, sending warm thrills up FineStain;s leg over the bump stock “take ’em all now, do the law later…”, and others.Yeah, he appointed”conservative” SCOTUS judges and others, but for fiscal purposes, just overlapping agendas, not specifically for 2A, Liked much of his fiscal actions, but his projected personal and 2A tangible actions…..NOT!!! He was a Democrat all his life…by choice. You can change the brand… Read more »

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Stag

Trump started things off with the proclamation, “Your Second Amendment will always be safe with me as your President.” He added, “When I’m back in the Oval Office, no one will lay a finger on your firearms.” Says the guy who enacted more arms control in his first two years (with Republican control of DC and the NRA’s support) than the previous two administrations combined. The guy also supported red flag laws, the TAPS Act, and bans on body armor and suppressors. Yeah, I feel real good about “take the guns first” Trump protecting the 2A. It’s laughable how many… Read more »

slipkid

How in the world does a 2A advocate try to sell us another gun grabber ?

tRump = ” Take the guns and do due process later ” like a dictator makes up law and now Obiden is using it , these executive orders are unconstituitional 

tRump proponent of red flag laws 

“As president, Donald Trump privately pushed for banning AR-15-type rifles… Trump was — and is — a big defender of Second Amendment rights,” Miller noted. “So the new revelation is surprising that he tried to renew the ‘assault weapon’ ban during his first two years in office.”

Wild Bill

Trump will be the nominee, so I do not see even a theoretic alternative to him.

HLB

Yes. And maybe we can use his term to achieve what we deserve. But, we will have to pressure him greatly.

HLB

Grigori

I think Jefferson spoke of the alternative while musing about the nutritional requirements of a cherished tree.

StLPro2A

“Lesser of two evils” Syndrome. Trump was a staunch Democrat all his life. One can change the brand on a mule, but not its DNA.

Politicians are all smoke’n’mirrors, sleight of hand sorcerers. Their lips move to distract, but it’s their hands one has to watch. One day, vets are going to have to recall their oath.

Montana454Casull

Nikki is hanging around hoping Trump gets disqualified by the courts so she can step right in in his place . Don’t be fooled

Oldman

Nikki has no chance, not now or ever.

Grigori

I hope you are right about thar. She was a total disaster as Governor of SC.

Grigori

She did that and more, Ope! She allowed Greg Ryberg and other cronies to burn, loot, and pillage, the state employee retirement system. She appointed multiple incompetent cronies to head various state agencies, destroying morale at those agencies for years after she left to play UN Ambassador. One of, perhaps “the” first official act as Governor was to require state employees to answer all state phones with “having a great day in South Carolina”. Gotta love her priorities!

Bozz

So, he’s no different than Joe Biden? Hard to believe. I don’t remember Trump pushing for a ban on “assault weapons”.

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Stag

In his 2000 book The America We Deserve, Trump said he supports a ban on assault weapons.

“I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I also support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun,” was his exact quote.

On February 28, 2018, in the same meeting with Feinstein and other lawmakers where he made the “take the guns first” statement, he expressed to her that he would be open to another AWB.

slipkid

Trump’s history of sUpPoRtiNG tHe SeCoNd AmEnDmEnT Bump stock ban Appointed an anti 2nd amendment head of the ATF Supported raising age to purchase firearms Didn’t support national carry (after promising to in his last campaign) Didn’t support hearing protection act Signed “fix NICS” into law and supports even further Expanded back ground checks Supports TAPS Act Supports banning suppressors Supports banning body armor Supports mag capacity ban Talked about implementation of a “social credit system” Talked about implementing 3rd party threat assessment and spying using social media and spying on gun owners to determine if they should own guns.… Read more »

Stag

Exactly. It’s amazing how many childish clowns will downvote someone for calling out anti-2A behavior from a politician while claiming they support the 2A.

Ledesma

What about liberals? They’re scared of guns. In fact, pack heat around them, and they’ll squeal like a pig!

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JNew

Let’s get the proverbial “TRUMP IS A BETTER CHOICE THAN BIDEN. NEVER BIDEN.” statement out of the way to satisfy the morons who don’t like to think. There. Now I’m in the clear.

However, we had a better choice than Trump. Someone who *never* said he likes taking the guns first, due process second. But, much like Trump’s first term, you blew it.

slipkid

tRump has done more gun control than any Republican in history and will work with Dems on more

Bozz

If that’s true, he should have the support of all the anti gun groups, right?

Grigori

The left is just as blind to everything in front of them as the right. They have been trained to hate the right and love the left, just as the reverse is true for many on the right.

slipkid

Proof is in the pudding Trump’s history of sUpPoRtiNG tHe SeCoNd AmEnDmEnT Bump stock ban Appointed an anti 2nd amendment head of the ATF Supported raising age to purchase firearms Didn’t support national carry (after promising to in his last campaign) Didn’t support hearing protection act Signed “fix NICS” into law and supports even further Expanded back ground checks Supports TAPS Act Supports banning suppressors Supports banning body armor Supports mag capacity ban Talked about implementation of a “social credit system” Talked about implementing 3rd party threat assessment and spying using social media and spying on gun owners to determine… Read more »

TGP389

I hate to tell all you nay sayers the bad news, but Thomas Jefferson isn’t in the race. Even if he were, he’d probably be unelectable. Trump is the best we have, and he’s not bad.

He pushed the AFT to ban bump stocks. I agree, that was not warranted. I think he’s learned some lessons, and I think we will be fine with him in office.

Oldman

I agree with you completely. There are so many people on this site that say he supports an AWB. Well Hell, I think there is support for a machine gun ban, not by me but probably the majority of voters in this country. And I can get one if I want to pay the tax, go through an even stricter background check and pay the price for one. I don’t need one and am getting really tired of people calling semi autos Assault Weapons. HOw many times do we have to explain the definition of an assault weapon to dumbasses?… Read more »

TGP389

In all fairness, he’s not a gun guy. He’s not a confiscator either, but when the “experts” told him those bump stocks made ARs into machine guns, and untaxed machine guns being morally fine, but illegal under the unconstitutional NFA boondoggle, he decided they needed to go.

The man tried HARD to fulfill campaign promises. He has promised that ARs will be fine, and I believe him.

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Oldman

Me too. I think, in some respects, that things are looking better every day for 2A pro gun folks.

Roland T. Gunner

So, DJT promised to abolish the ATF AND NFA?

Bill B

And they are still thriving are they not?
I’ll tell you how to make them go away, CUT OFF THEIR FUNDING. If they have no money to pay their hired thugs, they won’t have strong armed thugs to enforce their tyranny. I would send federal troop to evict them from their offices and pad lock the building. And if the leaders persisted in trying to enforce their tyranny i would lock them up INDEFINITELY! Problem solved!

Wild Bill

The memo that created BATF could also be revoked. That would only take one person to do. Defunding would take all of Congress.

slipkid

Promised a lot and never delivers , still waiting on JFK file release

musicman44mag

NO SHIT. Sick of the double standard. Wish Arizona would have been there to straighten that shit out. Or was he?

This time if we wind up with president and the house and senate we better straighten out the mess. I am tired of Mr. nice guy and getting shit on constantly because they know we rather not have conflict and in the words of Rodney King, Just get along. We have the same crap here in Oregoneistan.

Trump 2024.

Arizona

Trump cannot be trusted, is lying yet again, and is too dumb to protect anything. How about that bump stock ban he ordered? Which led to BATFE issuing rules in receivers and pistol braces and who knows what comes next? That is trump’s doing. He didn’t protect Jack, he didn’t get a safe hearing act for suppressors passed, nor countrywide recognition of CCW’s which should just be countrywide constitutional carry, with no further ID or permit needed. Cause I don’t need a permission slip from anyone to exercise my rights anywhere. How many items did Trump promise regarding guns, illegals,… Read more »

Stag

Get ready for those down votes! You know you’re not supposed to talk about that kind of stuff in here! We gotta get that orange infringer back in there so he can do what he promised for real this time!

Grigori

Yep!

musicman44mag

The asshole Mitch McConnel would not take the reciprocity bill to the floor to be voted on because “HE” felt there was not enough votes to pass it because he stated that “the Las Vegas Shooting has everyone in a different mood when it comes to guns”. He screwed us, not Trump. President Trump also said that if he is president again and the bill FINALLY crosses his desk, he will sign it. President Trump had to fight the swamp to get anywhere with anything and he had many accomplishments. He had fake dossier from Hitlary going against him and… Read more »

Arizona

He hired people who worked against him, two different Dhs heads sabotaged the border while trump repeatedly signed omnibus bills that prohibited border security spending while they simultaneously funded increases in medical, education, food, shelter and cash for illegals and fake asylum seekers, and prohibited arresting them or sharing info with ICE. He didn’t push for any gun rights, but said “take the guns first, due process later”. He demanded the bump stock ban!

musicman44mag

I told you before the story on the ban and why he did it. He tried to close the border and keep illegals out like the stay in Mexico policy and yes he is a red law flag supporter and so is Hailey, Newsome, Kennedy, Biden, Mike obummer and any other leftist or POS traitor that says they are republican and then votes with the democrats. So, who are you going to vote for. You never answered that question. Are you going to waste your vote on some liberal right wing that we don’t know or vote for the man… Read more »

HLB

It is a chance to make America great again. Since it is a chance, and not a high certainty, I think we should rally our forces, just in case he fails.

HLB

musicman44mag

Yep, just like the left is preparing for right now. More of their peaceful protests.

TGP389

He’s not perfect, but things were running a helluva lot better with him in, and he was getting the wall built.

I just read an article about the Usurper Bidet FLYING ILLEGALS INTO THE COUNTRY.

Not only is he not stopping them at the border, he’s flying the SOBs in! I like the average Mehican person, not the criminals, drunk drivers and rapists, but they should have to GET HERE LEGALLY.

We are getting Chinese, Iranians, you name it coming in from our southern border, too. It’s disgusting.

Arizona

If you have ever read my comments you would know I would never ever vote for a democrat. I voted for trump twice and he won twice, but he didn’t even fight when they stole the election and installed a dementia addled pedophile and lifelong serial lying moron. Biden was one of the poorest in congress his whole life, then suddenly made his first million in 2018, and another 15 million the same year… (corrupt much?) Trump is no friend to freedom, the Constitution and gun owners thought, and he hires saboteurs repeatedly. He isn’t too bright, and hope for… Read more »

old guy

Musicman, If I could up vote you many more times, I would. For stating more of what actually happened during Trumps first term.

slipkid

Trump brags after Justice Department moves to ban ‘bump stocks’ on eve of nationwide gun control march – and claims Obama made them legal

HLB

Here it is:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5538105/Trump-brags-DOJ-bans-bump-stocks-eve-nationwide-gun-control-march.html

The Trump Tweet reads:

Obama Administration legalized bump stocks.
BAD IDEA. As I promised, today the
Department of Justice will issue the rule
banning BUMP STOCKS with a mandated
comment period. We will BAN all devices that
turn legal weapons into illegal machine guns.

This is what Trump said. It is very bad. You must consider what he will do with his power and be ready to counter it.

HLB

slipkid

Trump’s history of sUpPoRtiNG tHe SeCoNd AmEnDmEnT Bump stock ban Appointed an anti 2nd amendment head of the ATF Supported raising age to purchase firearms Didn’t support national carry (after promising to in his last campaign) Didn’t support hearing protection act Signed “fix NICS” into law and supports even further Expanded back ground checks Supports TAPS Act Supports banning suppressors Supports banning body armor Supports mag capacity ban Talked about implementation of a “social credit system” Talked about implementing 3rd party threat assessment and spying using social media and spying on gun owners to determine if they should own guns.… Read more »

musicman44mag

Ok, so many on this board are against Trump.

Now tell me who is the better alternative. Ain’t got one do you!!!!!!

Vote Trump 2024

Oldman

MM, Seems to me, now that everyone knows for sure who the next Prez will be, the pussy assed progressive plants on this board are gonna whine with their wagging tongues til the cows come home. Let them vote for whomever the Dems put up there, or like most of these fools, not vote at all. It doesn’t make any difference to the end result. Trump wins and the only thing left for him to do for the next 4 yrs, is to do what he has already done once before. Oh I forgot already, he needs to pick the… Read more »

musicman44mag

Couldn’t have said it better myself. I expect the boards to fill up with anti Trump rhetoric just like they did in the first election and is happening now on this board. Fortunately it is the same idiots that have been doing it in the past and they garner lots of down votes to make them happy. Even those that were for desantis and are now for Nicky because they are anything but Trump will be voting Trump in a few months unless they want to destroy this country and support RFK or worse a straight up democrap. Only unconstitutional… Read more »

Oldman

I’ll second that!

musicman44mag

Ope, some of what is said is true but I have made it clear why we shouldn’t tear him down unless you don’t want to support him. Some don’t want him because he is not refined enough for them or too rough. Some don’t want him because they watch only fake news and spread the BS they think is the truth. Some say lies to manipulate public opinion as a subterfuge. My mother was a great manipulator and schizophrenic. I have first hand experience because I was manipulated for 15 years until I figured it out. Love has a way… Read more »

musicman44mag

Thank you. I imagine the reason I don’ t see one for me is because it is me looking at myself. LOL.

Thanks for the help. I now have a new friend to follow.

musicman44mag

Ya, we should be able to do that because our vote counts. Doesn’t it? After all, democraps vote for themselves multiple times, right?

musicman44mag

Aren’t we all but together we can keep each other on track, right!!!!
Take care and thanks.

HLB

Vote for Trump. I may. But I will know who I am voting for. I am not happy with any entity that will lay a finger on my guns.

HLB

musicman44mag

Neither am I but he doesn’t say he will take away your AR. That is the first thing on everyone else’s list. Think about that. I can have a capacity over 10 rounds but what good is it without the gun and the new scam is what good is it without the ammunition.

Voting democrap is voting your 2nd amendment right away. It always has been and it always will be. Any strong supporter of the 2nd will never vote for a democrap.

Oldman

You may or not remember that Trump asked the ATF to look into the bumpstock situation after the LV sitting duck catastrophe. Any one with a brain or anyone that knows anything about the sound of fully auto weapons know, that despite the possibility of a bumpstock being used that night, I and a lot of others KNOW most of the sound I heard on the vids was fully auto. And what about the helicopters? Bottom line is: The whole nation was convinced that one man with one bumpstock killed 50 people and all of it came from an AR… Read more »

Grigori

Trump pushed ATF to ban them, using Obamaesque Executive Order tactics. Under Obama, BATF said bumpstocks were fine. Under Trump, BATF said bumpstocks were fine. Trump goaded BATF into the bumpstock ban. Try reading and understanding factual information rather than blind worship of a pseudo-“hero”.

Oh, and FYI, calling out Trump for his betrayals does not necessarily mean that anyone is a Biden voter. They are simply aware that we have people willing to sell us out on both sides.

slipkid

Any vote for tRump is a vote against the 2nd amendment

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musicman44mag

Someone taking away our up votes.
What do you want to bet it is someone that is a kid who’s mind has slipped living in mommy’s basement.

Trump is speaking right now.

Trump/Nome 2024

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Oldman

Grig, Blind worship of a pseudo-hero? Surely you jest. Don’t forget your buddy Wayne la Pew Pew is one of those who sided with the BatFe when they changed their tune on Bumpstocks……I understand factual info, apparently, far better than you. The FBI and apparently someone with military ties like the CIA made the bumpstock an issue not Trump.

Grigori

Read the link I posted elsewhere in this thread, underneath an existing comment of mine.

Grigori

Proof that Trump wanted the bumpstock ban from the horse’s (BATF) mouth.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/department-justice-announces-bump-stock-type-devices-final-rule

Oldman

So do you agree with what Whittaker said? You know, that the bumpstock turns a semi auto into a full auto? If you don’t agree with that then what is your point? did Trump at the time agree with the atf when they changed the bumpstock status? His sons didn’t and Trump was not aware of a lot of what was going on in the country as far as the anti gun advocates were up to. The ATF made a decision, based on baloney and we are stuck with it and it is still being heard in the courts today.… Read more »

musicman44mag

As I have stated many times. He gave the dog a bone in hopes the court would find it unconstitutional because he didn’t want the left to try and take away AR’s because of what just happened in LV and they did it because they were trying to stop reciprocity.

Trump 2024

Oldman

Trump Goaded them? You must be eating mushrooms with your breakfast cereal…..They way you are stating things must mean you were the fly on the wall that overheard Trump’s everyday phone calls to the ATF, as he was goading them. Maybe the ‘stolen’ documents he had at Maralago will prove you right someday, but I honestly think you are full of Merde!

Oldman

I am not going to waste too much time with you, Get Out. Bottom line is: Trump was under the impression that bumpstocks turned a normal semi auto firearm into a machine gun. They DO NOT. Neither does a binary trigger. He was under the spell of BATFE and other radical anti-gunners. The only thing that will turn an AR into fully automatic mode (machinegun) is an auto sear. I suppose you go along with the Batfe on saying that a pistol brace makes any weapon more deadly. Trump haters will never stop hating.

Oldman

Thanks for the tp…..NOT! I left out the i because I printed it and wiped my fecal orifice with it.

Oldman

Not a clue Ope. I figure they are Trump haters hired by their Diety Biden. Ol’ Sleepy has already said he was going after assault weapons. Doesn’t bother me much I don’t own any of them even though the whole world thinks they are more deadly then a single shot firearm. If that is what you are referring to.

Arizona

There is a huge difference between trump haters and realists, conservatives who voted for trump and likely will again, yet know he is no savior. Also, we’re disappointed in his empty promises, his mistakes, his bad hires and his caving on spending bills that funded the left’s priorities. He could have done so much more if he didn’t hire saboteurs, if he understood how congress works, if he played their games against them, and used his veto.

Oldman

In some respects you are absolutely right. And, just so you know, there has only been one Savior, and if you don’t know whom that may BE, I am feeling sorry for you. To your other points; Trump didn’t know how congress works, and not many people do. There is so much graft and corruption that there aren’t very many who can stand up to any kind of investigation, much less two impeachment attempts, the corrupt FBI, and all that other crap. He is still fighting it and he is ripe to winning it all hands down and I support… Read more »

Grigori

You’re right. I keep forgetting that Trump is a perfect being, above question or reproach. When I pray to him tonight I will ask his foregiveness.

Grigori

No man! You must be wrong. Trump didn’t do that. Despite numerous quotes from articles and even books written by Trump, many say he did not support a bumpstock ban or support AW bans, or anything else against our gun rights, ever. Tonight when I pray to Trump to forgive me for being wrong about him, I will ask that he forgive you too. With all of these folks saying he didn’t do these things despite evidence to the contrary, we must be wrong.

Trump is infallible. Trump is good.

😉

HLB

Trump did not ban bumpstocks???

Trump Tweet:
“>>>As I promised<<<, today the
Department of Justice will issue the rule
banning BUMP STOCKS”.

>>><<< are mine.
HLB

Oldman

As I said, and there is proof in your “tweet” that Trump said, if it’s real, that today the DOJ will issue the rule banning bumpstocks.

musicman44mag

Reciprocity was on the table to be voted on and passed and it was very likely that it was going to happen. They needed this psyopp in order to have something to block it from happening and for McConnel to have an excuse not to bring it to a vote. How in the hell do you shoot someone in the head at eye level when you are at a 45 degree angle pointing down. You don’t. Lights flashing in the sky, helicopters with beacons turned off? Rapid fire at multiple rates with more than one at a time? We know… Read more »

Oldman

Awaiting approval. Must have been too long.

Wild Bill

I approve it!!!

HLB

I will check back.

HLB

musicman44mag

I find sometimes the truth takes a while to be posted.

musicman44mag

I will vote for Trump and we are agreed on guns but I include ammo, parts or reloading supplies as well as shipment to and from America.

Montana454Casull

I am not against Trump. I voted for him but what I am against is his past Democrats ideas and pandering to the left with our gun rights . He needs to backtrack if elected and fix his past bad deeds . Executive order changing his past order on bumpstocks and retract his fix NICs crap he did . Then maybe we could start to trust him with our gun rights .

musicman44mag

I would like to see him back track on some things too but when in the primary I wont complain. I would only complain about a republican in the primary because I don’t want them like Nicky and Kennedy. If they are the one selected, I reluctantly support them but I don’t cut them down until after they are on the job and the mess up. Whoever we have, we should support them. When we cut down on a candidate all it does is undermine them and provide armament for the left to support why no one should vote for… Read more »

Arizona

He also backtracked on “dreamers” who he promised to kick out his first day, yet he didn’t ever get around to it. Nor did he establish that birthright citizenship only applies to children of citizens.

slipkid

RFK jr is not anti 2A , you just like to vote for the biggest gun control advocate in the Rep party

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. deviated from much of the Democratic Party during a town hall with NewsNation on Wednesday, saying there is nothing policymakers can “meaningfully” do through gun control to reduce the gun violence epidemic in America.

musicman44mag

I have seen and posted links to him saying it is not time for gun control YET. Haven’t you learned that democraps will say what ever they can to get elected? Even Bush lied to us but said he made a mistake with read my lips, while O’biden flat out said “I lied, I am a politician”. Sure RFK might have changed from what he has said in the past but he wants to take away the AR and he has said it. RFK is nothing more than another democrap that will change his tune like others before him. With… Read more »

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Oldman

So what you are saying is that you agree that the gun violence in america exists? I would only agree that there is a lot of violence going down now in america right now, and a small part of it is with guns.

musicman44mag

“It will always be the criminal that commits the violence” not the gun, hammer, axe, ice pick, pitchfork etc..

musicman44mag

He might be smoking the crack!!!!! While having his crack smoked.

musicman44mag

Is it bad that I laugh at my own jokes when I write them? not always but sometimes I think they are pretty good.

musicman44mag

Right on, thank you. Some are stupid but a stupid joke that makes you snicker and adds some fun to your day is better than nothing at all IMVO. and if you ask me, MO is worth something. Something more than any democrap supporter has to say!!!!!

LOL!!!!!:-)

musicman44mag

LOl, I don’t know how up you are on music but Guns and Roses which I call Gums and posies has a song called ” welcome to the jungle”. It is there best song IMO and then comes Sweet Child of Mine and the rest sucks. LOl, IMO.

Enjoy if you look it up. It is what I call modern rock, not the good stuff. Not days of old like the real rock.

musicman44mag

I like thunder struck. I have changed the words to where you sing Jesus. The words are, ” he was born, in a manger no crib for his bed, “Jesus” In the manger yes the manger, he laid his sweet head, “Jesus” and more. I don’t want to give the complete song up. I think it is wonderful that I took a song that is supposed to be from and band called Anti Christ Devils Children, even though they say it is not, and change it into a Christian song. LMAO. It rocks and at Christian Concerts I have played… Read more »

musicman44mag

Well thank you. I figured you would get back to me when you saw it.

I got how to do it and now I will follow the basement rat and down vote and argue with him and show just how stupid he is as I have in the past if it works.

Take care.

Arizona

As for your claim that “everyone on this board would agree” with you that I couldn’t do a better job, hahahahaha! Only an imbecile assumes he can speak for others. And unlike Trump, I worked on the Hill for the Senate as a young man, know how corrupt it is and how it works, and would have done far more than he did for freedom and the 2nd. I would have used veto power and all the procedural tricks and actually hired competent and loyal people.

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musicman44mag

LOL, So you “would have done far more than he did” and would have used veto power and did more for the 2nd. So why didn’t you run for president so you could do it? Hell, if you were so good and did so much, why weren’t you chosen to be his support staff or part of one of his teams? Say what you will about Trump and complain like all the others do that do nothing more than undermine republican progress like voting for hailey or desanctimounious or trashing the best president we ever had in the last 20… Read more »

slipkid

Anyone voting for tRump is asking for more gun control

Old Crow

Sounds like you think Trump is worse than Biden. So I am guessing you will vote for Biden since you are an anti Trumper.

Arizona

Did I say that? No. Biden is a puppet, and corrupt and a pedophile, and has been a buffoon his entire life. Trump is better than Biden, but he isn’t a savior and he promises the sky while he delivers piles of bs. He is also too dumb to hire smart people who won’t double cross him. Lastly, he surrendered when they stole the election, losing all respect.

musicman44mag

Oh man Arizona. Why are they trying to put him in jail for complaining that the election was stolen then? Why is a judge trying to prevent him from being able to exercise his first amendment right by repeating it. Haven’t you heard about that? Don’t you see the news complaining about that and showing clip after clip of all the democrats who said the election was stolen from them? Aren’t they trying to put Giuliani in jail and trying to end Mike the pillow guys business and put him in jail for backing what Trump said that the election… Read more »

Finnky

I’m not a fan of trump. But if this were a vote between Mussolini and Mao – I remember that Mao was responsible for over a hundred million deaths of civilians in his own country – in addition to deaths elsewhere and deaths in combat/war. Seems like a no brainer to me! While not a trump fan – I do not think he’s Mussolini… Mao seems like a perfect fit for biden. Joe’s only saving grace is that his cognitive decline makes him incapable of much of anything other than allowing underlings to ride roughshod over us. Bad enough –… Read more »

slipkid

RFK jr is leading in many polls

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. deviated from much of the Democratic Party during a town hall with NewsNation on Wednesday, saying there is nothing policymakers can “meaningfully” do through gun control to reduce the gun violence epidemic in America.

musicman44mag

LOL, an RFK propagandist.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4421906-trump-beats-biden-with-rfk-jr-on-ballot-poll/

Readem and weap! Here’s your sign!

Trump 2024

slipkid

Trump’s history of sUpPoRtiNG tHe SeCoNd AmEnDmEnT Bump stock ban Appointed an anti 2nd amendment head of the ATF Supported raising age to purchase firearms Didn’t support national carry (after promising to in his last campaign) Didn’t support hearing protection act Signed “fix NICS” into law and supports even further Expanded back ground checks Supports TAPS Act Supports banning suppressors Supports banning body armor Supports mag capacity ban Talked about implementation of a “social credit system” Talked about implementing 3rd party threat assessment and spying using social media and spying on gun owners to determine if they should own guns.… Read more »

Stag

It’s amazing how so many are willing to ignore that. There’s a lot of big talk around here about supporting and defending the constitution, especially the 2A, until Trump is involved. Politician over principles.

slipkid

Only anti 2A people downvote you , they hope they can party with tRump at Mar a Lago LGBTQ parties

Stag

There are a lot of Butters and Fudds around here that support infringement as long as it’s their guy doing the infringing. You’re 100% correct…they’re about as pro-2A as John Cornyn and the NRA.