Bump Stocks Are Not Machine Guns, SCOTUS Strikes Down ATF Rule

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Bump Stocks Are Not Machine Guns, SCOTUS Strikes Down ATF Rule

Today, the Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) issued an opinion authored by Justice Clarence Thomas on Cargill vs Garland. The justices ruled that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) overstepped its authority when it banned bump stocks through the rule-making process by a 6-3 margin.

“We hold that a semiautomatic rifle equipped with a bump stock is not a ‘machinegun’ because it cannot fire more than one shot ‘by a single function of the trigger.”’ And, even if it could, it would not do so ‘automatically,’” Thomas wrote. “ATF therefore exceeded its statutory authority by issuing a Rule that classifies bump stocks as machineguns.”

Bump stocks are devices that attach to a rifle to increase the rate of fire. The shooter puts forward pressure on the foregrip of a semiautomatic gun while pulling the trigger. The rifle’s recoil resets the trigger, allowing the user to fire at a greater rate of fire. Some claim this “simulates automatic fire,” while others say there is a massive difference between automatic fire and what a shooter can accomplish with a bump stock.

For years, the ATF held the opinion that bump stocks did not convert a firearm into a machine gun. A machine gun fires automatically with a single function of the trigger. Since the trigger must be pulled each time a round is expelled from a firearm, it did not meet the definition of a machine gun conversion device. There was nothing novel about the firearm accessory. For years, people have been bump firing using rubber bands or belt loops.

SCOTUS found that bump stocks did not fire automatically by a single function of a trigger. Therefore, a bump stock could not be considered a machine gun. SCOTUS wholly rejected the ATF’s arguments in the case. The Court said that the ATF could not change federal law.

If the bump stock did meet the definition of a machine gun conversion device, it would be banned under the National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA), which states that any device that converts a firearm into a machine gun is itself considered a machine gun. In 1986, the machine gun registry for civilian machine guns was closed by the Hughes Amendment in the Firearms Owners Protection Act (FOPA). Since the bump stock was invented well after that time, no bump stocks would be eligible to be registered in accordance with the NFA.

After a 2017 shooting in Las Vegas, Nevada, the FBI claimed that the mass murderer used an AR-15 equipped with a bump stock to kill 50 people at a country music concert from a window at the Mandalay Bay Casino and Hotel. Then-President Donald Trump heard enough and asked the ATF to ban bump stocks along with pushing the idea of suspending due process (red flag laws). The ATF would grant Trump his wish by issuing a new rule proclaiming bump stocks to be machine guns, reversing years of ATF opinions on the devices.

Overnight, thousands of Americans would find themselves in possession of what the ATF now considers to be an illegal machine gun. Without an act of Congress, the government took something previously legal and made it illegal. A Texas gun dealer named Michael Cargill didn’t believe what the ATF did would pass Constitutional muster and violated the Administrative Procedures Act (APA). Mr. Cargill teamed up with the New Civil Liberties Alliance (NCLA) to sue the Department of Justice (DOJ) over the rule.

The case would eventually reach the En Banc of the Federal Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals. The government felt confident in their case, but the Supreme Court released the Bruen decision months earlier, which eliminated intermediate scrutiny. That decision meant the courts could no longer use the excuse of “public safety” to violate a person’s rights. Any gun law had to be consistent with the text, tradition, and history of the Second Amendment. This legal change weighed into the Fifth Circuit decision. The Court would rule 13-3 for Cargill and remanded the case back to the District Court to issue the appropriate relief for Cargill.

The DOJ would go to the Supreme Court and ask for an administrative stay on the decision until they could petition SCOTUS for a writ of certiorari. Associate Justice Samual Alito would grant the request until the High Court could decide to grant or deny cert. SCOTUS would eventually choose to hear the case, which was argued on February 28 of this year.

This decision will have rippling effects on past bump stocks. The ATF has used the same power to enact other rules such as the pistol brace, the engaged in the business, and the frames and receiver rules. The Courts have been skeptical of these rules and have stepped in to block all of them. There are currently injunctions against all these rules, although the frames and receivers ruling has been administratively stayed until the Supreme Court hears the case and issues an opinion. With this decision, it puts the other rules on a death watch.

This is a major victory for the Second Amendment community and a reason for gun owners to celebrate.


About John Crump

John is a NRA instructor and a constitutional activist. John has written about firearms, interviewed people of all walks of life, and on the Constitution. Mr. Crump lives in Northern Virginia with his wife and sons and can be followed on Twitter at @crumpyss, or at www.crumpy.com.

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Arizona

The Hughes amendment fraudulently passed on a voice vote and was blatantly unconstitutional, as is the NFA and the GCA. We the People specifically prohibited the government from having any power over our right to keep and bear arms when we created the government. All gun control laws limit or restrict the right, and are thus unconstitutional infringements.

Wild Bill

This is a great win for the Constitution and the Second Amendment, and a huge blow to the deep state! Trump adroitly set this up.

Last edited 7 months ago by Wild Bill
Oldman

Doesn’tdo much good here in Washington. State laws against everything gun.

swmft

they would arrest you on the left coast for shooting a bear that was chewing on your arm

Oldman

Ya Got that right! Now if we could buy assault style weapons and magazines for more than ten, + pistol braces……life would look a lot better here.

musicman44mag

It’s going to take a lot more than that to make me happy.

musicman44mag

Don’t forget Oregoneistan

Oldman

On the local news last night, there was a story about the bumpstock ban being reversed. It even had a video with some guy with a bumpstock, apparently shooting ten rounds at a time, (WA State, of course). They asked Gov. Insley afterwards about the reversal and he said it doesn’t change state law, so it will have 0 effect. That is the State that I, fifty years ago, Loved!.

Oldman

On this same news show, reporter said that a bumpstock was used in Vegas. They don’t know that and they don’t know anything about bumpstocks, or really anything at all, gun. They just believe anything a government put in their kool-aid and told them to drink.

Oldman

Never proven at all. There are no releases with ANY forensic proof and the ATF and the FBI won’t release any info at all about really anything at all. Las Vegas Police closed the whole case in no time at all and why does everybody that was there (Civilians) most all attest to black helicopters with their transponders off and no running lights (2 of them) and the flashes coming from them were in sync with the sounds of fully auto gunfire? The reason is: The massacre, as they call it, was an inside job, directed by the DOJ, FBI… Read more »

musicman44mag

I wouldn’t put it past the CIA either.

Oldman

Yeah MM. The CIA is not supposed to be involved with anything domestic at all. Big Fat chance they were all involved.

gregs

not 100% sure that trump wanted this to go this way, but hey a win is a win.

musicman44mag

Trump said when Las Vegas happened that he was giving this to the democrats because they wanted to make AR’s illegal all together. He also stated that it would probably be found by the Supreme Court to be unconstitutional, “lets hope they do”.

He knows what he is doing. The art of the deal.

Trump 2024

Stag

I would love to see that. Surely you have a link to a video or news story where he made those statements.

musicman44mag

Oh man, that was back when he was president. I am sure the left has deleted it by now to help push their agenda that he is a lair.

Try youtube, you might find it. I know and others on this board know it’s true.

I am on vacation

Trump 2024

DDS

Whether you are in favor of NFA, or BATFE, or bump stocks, or pistol braces, or Joe Biden is kind of irrelevant here.

The principles are really quite simple by design.

The Legislative branch makes law.

The Executive branch enforces the law

When necessary, the Judicial branch interprets the law.

The principle is called “separation of powers” and the Founders put it in the Constitution for good reason.

When people try to get around that simple principle, their reasons are probably not so good.

Last edited 7 months ago by DDS
swmft

I am king, in charge, more important….yea no…cannon fodder yes…or rope tensioner yes lot of federal trash

Colt

I bought one of those things because someone said I couldn’t have it….
I’m not sure I’ll ever install it… I’m quite a bit more enamored with my FRT. Now that thing puts some giddy up and go in a bad attitude. So, FRT should go the same way as Trump’s bump stock ban.

If Trump wants my vote, he better get that democrat thinking out of his NY head.

J Gibbons

In a two-party system, the vote is more likely to be against one side than for the other side. That’s why many voted for Biden last time around. The options are set. The choice is to vote for the less-worst choice or vote against the worse of the two. Sucks, but that’s the situation we’re in.

Grigori

The other option is to stop playing their rigged game and not vote for any evil (more-er or lesser). Let the chips fall where they may. 1776 II is inevitable. If they control the narrative, it will be later, rather than sooner. That plays to their advantage in that with each passing week, more old combat vets, gun wise civilians, and others of their mindsets and abilities will become infirm and/or pass on. The more that happens, the better it is for the NWO/DS.

Wild Bill

If you give the cheating democrats an opening like that, they will run a division through it.

musicman44mag

If you don’t vote, then the devil wins. Voting for the lesser devil is part of winning.

Colt

correct, my mother didn’t understand that.. as an evangelical, when I told her she needed to vote for a Mormon… her response “voters wanted a black President”..

she was wrong… but I digress.
was America better 5 minutes after announcing the ” community organizer” got in.. the riots proved that wrong.

musicman44mag

Too bad I missed it but I got to see on my news channel him saying that he was going to attack us with F15’s again. When he is in a room, he is the dumb son of a bitch.

Trump 2024

HLB

There are still 3% of us who are armed.

HLB

Finnky

You might be surprised. I’ve met many youngsters learning to shoot and most of them know how to think for themselves and are learning the ways of the world as well.

We maybe diminishing with age, but there are many stepping up to replace us.

musicman44mag

Yep so all good Christians that cling to their God bible and guns need to get off their asses and vote. If we all reported as we should I think it would be a landslide and it would be to big to rig.

musicman44mag

Trump 2024

DDS

I know the feeling. I bought a Springfield M1A because “Slick Willie” Clinton said I couldn’t have one.

musicman44mag

I know the feeling too. When Oregoneistan said if measure 114 passed I would not be able to buy a semi auto shotgun that used a magazine, I bought one. Took it out with 25 round mags, fired and tested it, cleaned it, reloaded it and it is ready to go, just like me.

musicman44mag

Trump said when Las Vegas happened that he was giving this to the democrats because they wanted to make AR’s illegal all together. He also stated that it would probably be found by the Supreme Court to be unconstitutional, “lets hope they do”.
He knows what he is doing. The art of the deal.
Trump 2024

HLB

I searched but found no link to Trump’s quote “lets hope they do”. Help me out here.

HLB

HLB

I hope that he makes a good, solid reference to this in his next gathering.

HLB

musicman44mag

It’s been so long ago. I doubt it is out there.

musicman44mag

Yep, business as usual. A big coverup. Notice how the news never mentions it and how quickly they dropped it as well as paving over the spot where the murders took place. It was an operation and I bet it had CIA stink all over it. Too many things happened for one man to do it all. Different guns being fired at the same time, helicopter flashes of AR15 fire in the night sky, transponders turned off, cameras on the cops turned off, cops lying, witnesses that told of multiple gun fire from multiple areas, a woman telling people in… Read more »

swmft

I have a friend that was there, shot by two different guns, different angles of entry he was paid a large amount and made to sign a comprehensive non disclosure …made no sense to me now he cant say he was at the music festival ……

swmft

you saw the gun on the tripod.cant fire a bump stock that way

musicman44mag

I saw it and heard it. Not everything said is always on the news or on the leftist tube because the left takes anything positive about their opponents down to make it easier to produce and push their lies.

Alan in NH

FJB! All of his made up gun laws are being undone. If you want to have some fun, just listen to them screaming on CNN, MSNBC.

swmft

lets hope they stroke out

musicman44mag

I bet you are hearing all about how this is why ObiDUMB needs to make the supreme court larger and select the new judges before his term ends.

J Gibbons

Thankfully that won’t pass the House or even the Senate before the election. If Dems win both, then they will grow and stack the court and reverse all gains on freedom.

Grigori

This wasn’t one of Joe’s misdeeds. Joe has done plenty of evil, was behind the 1994 weapon and magazine ban, but this was not his doing.

Wild Bill

Here is some current intel on a topic that we were discussing recently:Russia’s hybrid warfare spills into NATO, raising new fearsLaura Kelly Sat, June 15, 2024, 5:00 AM Russia’s increasing use of hybrid and gray-zone attacks against European countries is posing a major challenge for NATO: how to respond without sparking a major conflict with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Baltic countries, Poland and the Czech Republic in particular, are raising alarm that acts of sabotage — and sometimes fatal attacks against individuals — allegedly sponsored by Russia are a growing threat to Europe and the defensive alliance. “Russia is throwing… Read more »

hasbeen

i hope the court also provided for restitution for all who the atf screwed out of their private property.

gregs

bump stock, hump stock, i got something they can simulate or stimulate.
looks like batfe might have appealed themselves into nothingness.
can’t wait to see the news and the talking head shows today like the view, this should be good. good material for gutfeld.

swmft

would be nice if scotus said taxing agency has no business in enforcement

rexx45

The Chevron deference is being chipped away, and will probably fall also.

DIYinSTL
  1. Crime scene photos have never been released showing bump stock equipped rifles at the Las Vegas massacre – the supposed reason for the ban. Admittedly the audio recordings suggest the possibility.
  2. Even if the ban was upheld, ATF should have given free registration as newly classified machine guns to every bump stock manufactured to date.
  3. FBATFE should now compensate all parties for legal expenses and for bump stocks destroyed or surrendered or confiscated. Plus interest.
Considerthis

I would rather be getting compensation directly from Donald Trump.
I don’t know if he really screwed Stormy Daniels, but he sure screwed me and a lot of other gun owners.

musicman44mag

Everyone was told, do not comply, keep them and wait on this board by multiple people multiple times. You shouldn’t have jumped to the mans orders so quickly. Had you listened, you would not be out a thing right now. Trump owes you nothing. The ATF owes you because they changed the rules/law, not President Trump. In some cases, I will not comply is the first order when it is against your constitutional right and then maybe later comply, if you absolutely FEEL you have to or don’t if you don’t give a shit. I did not comply and lick… Read more »

Considerthis

Music, you surprise me, I have been supportive of you in the past. Now it seems you are saying you are smarter,braver, and stronger than I, and I am a fool. If you had some experiences I have had I wonder if you would have resisted complying. You have probably never been swatted and surrounded by police with all of their weapons aimed at your head. You probably never had to surrender a weapon to an FBI agent. I have. If you are ever in a one false move ,life or death situation with the authorities outnumbered and by yourself,… Read more »

musicman44mag

Well, consider this. First off, you are blaming someone else for your decision. Second, you read a lot of BS into what I wrote, I never said or implied any of those things, you did. No, I have never been swatted but I have been held at gunpoint for a robbery because my car matched the robbers, I know it’s scary. Yes having friends that are bikers, I know the cops adrenaline is rushing and he wants you to grab your wallet really fast so he can shoot you for going for a weapon that he will plant on you… Read more »

Considerthis

First off please understand that I have voted for Trump twice, If he and I are both alive when the time comes, I will vote for him again. I am not a anti-Trumper. There is no reason for you to attack me in defense of Trump. If you chose to believe that the ATF would have proceeded without Trumps’ permission with a cascade of new infringements that is your right. I on the other hand think the shepherd ( Trump ) encouraged the wolves ( the ATF ) by opening the gate ( let’s take another look at those bumpstocks,… Read more »

Wild Bill

He just misunderstood. Don’t take it for more than a misunderstanding, please.

Considerthis

Thank you, Wild Bill ! I come here hoping to find fellowship and brotherhood. Not to make myself out better than anyone else. I appreciate your consideration and understanding. I understand we all have different experiences and opinions. I hope Music will come to understand that we may have minor differences of opinion and that we should stand together and not make each other enemies. Your supportive words have brightened my day. Thank You !

musicman44mag

I am on vacation and caught this so after I re-read it and your response, I thought it deserves an answer. Your perception of who is at fault for the bump stock fiasco is different than mine. I don’t blame the car for the guy that hit me I blame the driver which in this case is the ATF because they are responsible for the action. You stated that they did it based on Trumps lead, yes they did, but it turned out just like he hoped it would and was found unconstitutional. Right now Chucky Schumer is putting in… Read more »

Considerthis

Thank you music, being able to admit you might have made a mistake shows you are a real man. I know I am overly sensitive at times but I have reasons. While some have taken the topic rather lightly, probably some that have spouted opinions never even owned one and had no flesh in the game. I on the other hand took this all very seriously. Because I saw the potential for a great danger, not just for gun owners, but everyone. You see when the FBI requested I handover a handgun for ballistics tests they were not lead to… Read more »

DIYinSTL

Then get in line behind all the Soros funded DA’s and AGs, and the U.S. DoJ. I don’t like the executive order he signed or any of the over-reaching rules promulgated since much more than anyone else. However, many see it as a tactical move to keep Congress from doing something far worse. So far the SCOTUS has only struck down State laws. We do not know yet if they will strike down or diminish Federal gun laws.

Akai

Finally. But I suspect the AFT will come back with something else to sit in the courts. They won’t stop.

musicman44mag

They will since the Supreme court says they broke the law and the congress needs to get off it’s ass and do its job while getting rid of the Chevron clause.

Pa John

The lefty elites will now repeat their usual false claims that the Supreme Court is “too right wing” and “out of control” and etc. They will again – at some point when political winds indicate the time is right – seek to expand the number of judges which sit on the Supreme Court, in order to render what the U.S. Constitution actually does or does not say completely irrelevant. They want to do this by simply “packing the court” with a bunch of additional lefty judges who will always rule in their favor, no matter what. This has been done… Read more »

swmft

they packed the court under FDR to retain 1934 gca and the “rules” they used to jail Al Capone, and other things attorney general said were questionable

JNew

Still won’t matter if individual states ban them.

musicman44mag

That needs to change and I believe it will. How we get there is the question and most of all when.

Finnky

Nope. Any links to news sources? I’m unaware of any shootings whatsoever!