Much of the coverage of the U.S. Supreme Court’s recent decision to overturn the Chevron Deference doctrine suffers from one of two problems: Either it’s written by lawyers for lawyers and is therefore unintelligible for anyone without a juris doctor, or it’s written by the corporate media and is chock-full of errors, omissions, and untruths.
Bill Sack, director of legal operations for the Second Amendment Foundation, agreed to help clarify this landmark Supreme Court decision, which it turns out is good for gun owners and bad for the ATF.
Q: What is the Chevron Deference doctrine?
A: “By a vote of 6-3, the justices overruled their landmark 1984 decision in Chevron U.S.A., Inc. v. Natural Resources Defense Council, Inc., which gave rise to the doctrine known as Chevron Deference. Under that doctrine, if Congress has not directly addressed the question at the center of a dispute, a court was required to uphold the agency’s interpretation of the statute as long as it was reasonable.
What the Chevron Deference doctrine did was when administrative agencies write regulations, they often will have their own administrative courts that interpret the regulations the agency has drawn up. For example, if the EPA makes a regulation that says a factory can only put out so much pollution, and there is a question as to whether a specific factory violated the regulation, the first place the factory has to go is the EPA’s administrative court, where an EPA administrative judge will interpret the EPA’s regulations. If the factory is unsatisfied with the EPA judge’s decision, they can appeal to federal court. What Chevron Deference did was this: If the administrative court’s decision was appealed, the federal court was then supposed to be heavily deferential to the findings of that administrative court.
Basically, the doctrine put a thumb on the scale in favor of the administrative agency.
The federal court was supposed to give a lot of deference to what the administrative agency found. From a liberty perspective, this is a separation of powers problem. The administrative agency, as an executive agency, is supposed to enforce the law. It’s not supposed to write the law. It’s not supposed to interpret the law. These alphabet agencies were writing regulations, which is a legislative function. They were enforcing the regulations, an executive function, and then they were interpreting the regulations, which is a judicial function.
The ATF and the alphabet agencies were doing the jobs of all three branches of government and if challenged, the federal courts were supposed to defer to what their administrative courts found. Even if the federal court thought the agency’s administrative court got it wrong, they didn’t always overrule the decision. They believed that these agencies were the experts, who were best at administering and interpreting the own regulations. For example, the courts acted like since the EPA found that the EPA did nothing wrong, we’ll defer to them since they’re the experts.”
Q: What specifically did the U.S. Supreme Court decide?
A: “Chevron was overturned formally based on the Administrative Procedures Act, which sets out the procedures that federal agencies must follow as well as instructions for the courts to review actions by those agencies. The Supreme Court decided that this deference was unlawful. The Supreme Court said federal courts should start from scratch, rather than showing deference to the alphabet agencies. The High Court removed their thumb from the scale.”
Q: How will this decision affect the ATF?
A: “Hopefully, it tones down all of the administrative agencies because it returns power to the judiciary. It should tone down the ATF just like the rest. They can no longer adjudicate their own rules and say, ‘we’re right because we said we’re right.’
The writing has been on the wall for some time that Chevron would get knocked down. In a few of the (Administrative Procedure Act) challenges, the ATF has said they are not relying on Chevron to make their point. I suspect they didn’t want to hang their hat on Chevron. During the pistol brace and bump-stock cases, the ATF specifically said they were not relying on Chevron Deference.
If Chevron Deference were still alive, the ATF could write a rule like pistol braces. If someone was prosecuted for it and believed they shouldn’t have been found guilty in an ATF court, the ATF could rely on Chevron Deference during the appeal.
It was a big tool that every administrative agency had in their quiver.”
Q: How will the Supreme Court’s decision affect cases already in litigation, such as bump-stocks, pistol braces, frame and receiver and who needs an FFL?
A: “I don’t believe it will affect any of the current cases against ATF because the ATF has already disclaimed using Chevron.”
Q: Will this decision have any impact on the hundreds of gun dealers who have had their Federal Firearm Licenses revoked by the ATF for minor clerical reasons? (This question was posed to Adam Kraut, the Second Amendment Foundation’s executive director.)
A: “No. Revocation is entirely within the administrative process. The ATF only has to show a single willful violation. It’s not ambiguous where it would be difficult to ascertain what Congress meant. The courts have defined what willful is – they did something the law said they can’t do. Whether it was intentional, or they transposed some numbers, it’s still willful. There’s no deference in that regard. They don’t have to defer to the ATF to interpret anything,” Kraut said.
Q: Do gun owners still need to go through the ATF’s administrative process or can they now go straight to federal court?
A: “They still have administrative courts. They will still adjudicate violations of their own regulations, but if you want to appeal, the federal court has much greater leeway to overturn the administrative agencies with Chevron gone. The courts should be much better equipped to keep the administrative state in check,” Sack said.
Q: How will the Supreme Court’s decision affect gun owners?
A: “Big picture – for ATF and all of the other administrative agencies – it will hold their feet to the fire to interpret their own regulations fairly.”
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About Lee Williams
Lee Williams, who is also known as “The Gun Writer,” is the chief editor of the Second Amendment Foundation’s Investigative Journalism Project. Until recently, he was also an editor for a daily newspaper in Florida. Before becoming an editor, Lee was an investigative reporter at newspapers in three states and a U.S. Territory. Before becoming a journalist, he worked as a police officer. Before becoming a cop, Lee served in the Army. He’s earned more than a dozen national journalism awards as a reporter, and three medals of valor as a cop. Lee is an avid tactical shooter.
ATF agents will still guzzle Bud Light and crawl the g@y bars. F the ATF.
Cocksuckers.
“it will hold their feet to the fire to interpret their own regulations fairly.”
that is a pipe dream…. don’t hold your breath.. we already see courts ignoring Bruen. Lets get real here..
Obviously, you do see the inherent problem with “interpret their own regulations fairly”.
That is still “right because we say we are”.
Sure. Just like letting the foxes guard the hen house.
“The courts have defined what willful is – they did something the law said they can’t do. Whether it was intentional, or they transposed some numbers, it’s still willful.”
So they defined a word away? With that definition, “willful violation” and “violation” are indistinguishable.
Exactly, I interpreted this the same way. The word “willful” is absolutely meaningless in this context and therefore totally useless and completely unnecessary in written law. It serves only to misguide the average person.
willful /wĭl′fəl/
adjective 1.) Said or done on purpose; deliberate: synonym: voluntary.
“willful disregard of the rules.”
Similar: voluntary
2.) Obstinately bent on having one’s own way.
“exasperated by his willful child.”
3.) Of set purpose; self-determined; voluntary.
“willful murder”
Similar: self-determined, voluntary
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition
Both of you have your finger on the pulse of a really good argument. As you, both, observe “willful” has been defined away. Yet. Congress intended that the word willful be there and have meaning. Thus Congressional intent has been changed.
Who told them to do that? I didn’t tell them to do that!
More importantly, Congress still has not told them not to do that.
Spot on, brother!
Congressmen/women and Senators are too lazy to do their jobs.
Exactly.
Willful has purpose. Most inaccuracies are just mistakes. As long a humans are doing the work, there will be mistakes from time to time.
Yeah, no kidding! Just look at the gross incompetence of the USSC/SCOTUS for all the evidence you need to prove that it can’t be trusted! One of its members cannot define what a woman is, despite being one! All of them are dirty criminals who are being blackmailed for one thing or another! You can’t ever get into that job unless you are as dirty as a handful of coal dust!
I love to see the “down votes” as much as the “up votes”, because it shows that I am right over the target!! PLEASE keep on sending me the down votes, because it means that I am doing something right!
Hang. Every. atf. Agent. Secretary. And Employee!!!!
F them and their families.
No atf nazi a$$hole should ever hold a position of honor in the USA.
Celebrate independence day by telling atf to go to hell.
This was AMERICA…….DO NOT COMPLY!!!!!!!!
WAS is right. WE MUST TAKE AMERICA BACK!
We have taken many steps back toward the Constitution lately. Be patient and elect Trump. Trump appoints more federal judges that are Constitutionalists. We peal off a hundred years of progressivism.
Stop by my ranch. I have plenty of hemp rope that you can have. But wouldn’t it be easier to revoke the memo that created that federal agency or RIF the agency and all of its employees? Either of those things could be done in an airconditioned office. No sweat no muss.
What is even better, is to spread my paper about the UNIVERSAL Get Out Of Jail For Free Card as far and wide as possible, then we can shut down the whole criminal enterprise!!
So now review of all agencies and all rule changes that were made need to be reviewed to see if the changes in actuality changed law and or made what was once normal and ok illegal and then rescind the changes, review individual cases effected by the change and appropriate measures taken to rectify the situation to meet the new after review current authorized law.
Oregoneistan
It means absolutely nothing if “We the People” continue to allow democrats to ignore the Constitution. Which they will continue to do by passing anti 2A legislation that requires a fight in the courts to have it overturned. They have historically played the long game on their disdain of the 2nd Amendment and this ruling will do nothing to stop it. Tyranny cannot be defeated in or by a Court. It requires the blood of tyrants and patriots to remove it from society and the continent. As was done by the founding patriots.
I gave you a thumbs up because I agree with part of what you said. The part I argue is that the courts cannot change anything. Cheveron Difference has been discontinued. That move changed the game big time so of that I am right. “If we continue to allow them to abuse the system or the 2nd amendment” is the part of where I feel you are right. We have been given one of our tools out of the tool box back with Chevron and Bruen but we must make them adhere to that. My way which is via the… Read more »
It is a holy war of good versus evil. It’s going to get really ugly, but I’ve read the Book and I know how it ends. Keep your powder dry, and carry.
So glad we are in the same place and reading from the same book. The end will be our new beginning.
Take care Brother in Christ!
I question how much will change with the demise of Chevron, as long as all the fed agencies still have thrir own admin courts.
I will put it this way. I understand your questioning of how much will change but I look at this way. Now there is a place for proper review and multiple people of different backgrounds both R, D and I will make the decisions. Outcomes should be better than agencies that make, break and enforce their own rules the way they want and less time will equal less rules.
The process is still part of the punishment.
Nothing changes, The ATF laughs
The Bruen and Chevron decisions mean nothing to the gun grabbers within the democrat party because they will continue to push forward anti 2nd A legislation and regulations that will require more lawsuits to overturn in courts headed by liberal progressive judges that disagree with the Supreme Court. Which will require more more cases as the suits move up the line. Further denying the Bruen and Chevron rulings until they once again reach the level of the Supreme Court. That may or may not take the case. What you don’t seem or refuse to is the Anti 2A zealots and… Read more »
1 the game is played in the order that it is because others in the past let it start moving that way in the first place and today’s men have let it exist. 2 I don’t think we were the last generation to tell our children what it was like to be free because I realize that we live on a plantation and we are nothing more than slaves to big government, free is the last thing that we are compared to what our fore fathers had.. 3 This generation and next might be able to enjoy what they used… Read more »
MAGA
Speaking of plantations…did you see this?
https://jonesplantationfilm.com/ it is WORTH watching.
Yep, you figured out where I got it from. I hope you watched it. Really opened my eyes to more than I ever expected.
Maybe its time to USE the reason for the 2nd amendment on the 2A zealots. I mean the 2nd IS NECESSARY to the SECURITY of a FREE state. Anyone feel free anymore? This needs to be understood by EVERYONE of the zealots.
Too many commas.
Darkman, the legal system is not just an enforcer of tyranny, but also a source of it! The 100% corrupted legal system MUST be exposed for what it really is, a world wide crime syndicate that tramples on people’s Rights at the behest of the Statists and elitists! When the USSC/SCOTUS reversed Roe v. Wade after 49 years, and then Chevron after 40 years, they demonstrated to the world that they are undeserving of any position of power or authority they have placed themselves in. As stated before, they are irrelevant, immaterial and incompetent when it comes to anything dealing… Read more »
You are the problem these rulings made irrelevant and at the same time the danger to freedom I talk about. Ignorance can be cured with education. Nothing can cure your indoctrination.
LOL! “your indoctrination”? Talk about indoctrinated. Most of the responses on here show how indoctrinated you are by the wonderful government school system. One of the only LOGICAL people I’ve read here has been Logician. Enjoy your chains.
Hmmm, so you think that the issue in Roe is a federal issue, rather than a state issue? Where is that in the constitution?
And the Chevron decision made Federal and state courts defer to the interpretations of federal agencies. Where is that in the Constitution. Now is your chance to demonstrate your knowledge and reasonableness.
There is nothing illegitimate with reversing so called settled case law when the settle law is made up of whole cloth. Read the majority opinions in Dobbs & Loper Bright Enterprises. Even the Notorious RBG stated many times the the opinion was extra constitutional. As for Chevron the opinion is unconstitutional on its’ face. The opinion ignores the Constitutions construction with the powers of the three branches of the federal government being different. Chevron directing the judicial branch to follow the executive branch’s interpretation of ambiguities short circuits the separation of powers. The current majority doesn’t hew to the jurisprudence… Read more »
Stop.
What we think, and what we do are two different things.
We will continue to draw lines in the sand, with a smile. And they will continue to cross them. We will do nothing.
We’d like to do something, but we are what they aren’t. Law abiding Americans.
“law abiding” meaning boot licking ass kissing cowards. They tell us what to do and we ask how far should we jump. It’s been that way since the dawn of civilization because what we are is normal. And they are PSYCHOPATHIC CONTROL FREAK PARASITES. And how do you get rid of parasites? YOU KILL THE LITTLE BASTARDS. Why, no matter how much intelligent goodwill exists in the world, is there so much war, suffering and injustice? It doesn’t seem to matter what creative plan, ideology, religion, or philosophy great minds come up with, nothing seems to improve our lot. Since… Read more »
Go for it, man!!!
One patriot against 50 agents just isn’t a fair fight. 50 agents against 2000 patriots that are bound together in a constitutional MILITIA will get the point across. Referred to in modern times as an individual’s right to carry and use arms for self-defense, the Second Amendment was envisioned by the framers of the Constitution, according to College of William and Mary law professor and future U.S. District Court judge St. George Tucker in 1803 in his great work Blackstone’s Commentaries: With Notes of Reference to the Constitution and Laws of the Federal Government of the United States and of… Read more »
“Whether it was intentional, or they transposed some numbers” (transposed numbers, ie UNINTENTIONAL, inadvertant, accidental” Bullshit. Unintentional is NOT “INTENTIONAL”.
Furthermore, the very idea of all these agencies having their own “administrative courts” with any sort of powers is repugnant and unconstitutional.
thugs and bureaucrats do something fairly…hummmmm….no cant see it happening atf needs to be gone
Trump is talking about removing some of the agencies and getting rid of crap we don’t need like the Gun Violence Prevention Center which he claims is just another farm to grow anti 2nd amendment supporters and give them a free ride via the governments tax dollars and is just another agency weaponized against the people like the ATF is at the peoples expense.
You’re becoming one of Trumps best campaigners.
I could only take that as a complement.
Happy 4th to you. May this not be the last one for a while as some are claiming it might be, but if it is, I will be proud to be one of the people that brings it back.
Take care
Trump 2024
Neither a compliment nor insult, just an observation. I see people who blindly follow, believe and promote Biden and his dangerous policies as well.
Trump is just our tool. An imperfect tool, but the best tool that we have had in a hundred years.
Yep, he’s doin’ a fine job, God bless ‘im.
bidumb is his best, kind of like his gun sales
That has to be made clear to President Trump.
I think with all the unjust attacks by the goobers, he may just get how bad government has become
Since the AFT has ILLEGALLY APPLIED their own DREAMED UP “rules and regulations” out of THIN AIR ILLEGALLY (chevron deference), ALL OF THEIR PAST DECISIONS and ACTIONS AGAINST Americans MUST COME UNDER STRICT SCRUTANY.
“Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.” — The Who
This might not be the fatal blow to the administrative state of any agency, but it is another wedge to widen the crack. We have Bruen, the Supremacy Clause that only laws pursuing the Constitution are legal, the separation of powers doctrine and the over throw of Chevron as a few of those tools. The idea that a regulation is treated as law is repugnant. Laws must be passed by Congress and signed by the President to even have a degree of credibility. The idea that any executive agency has a judiciary is unconstitutional on its face. Out of pride… Read more »
They should let Matthew Hoover out IMMEDIATELY. He’s in a cage because of this idiotic doctrine. I may be wrong, but I suspect that the founding fathers would have been playing “Wack a mole” with any “ATF” type of group back during the founding era.
And they are ANOTHER reason we need the first 13 words back in force and effect.
so will the epa’s STUPID ban on r22 refrigerant be lifted???? you know how many people I have seen get screwed by that as a hvac technician? can we use r22 like most other countries csn now???!!!??
Recent ac service; service call fee and 4 lbs refrigerant, approx $900.
It’s own form of evil.
Talk about THIEVES.
Ouch!
Chevron deference is a pipe dream of the Progressive movement. Then progressives set out to establish a fourth branch of government, the bureaucratic state, to actually govern the country because they could not get the other three branches to do their will, i.e. violate the Constitution. This was the progressive antidote to the Founder’s Natural Law foundation of our Republic. If we are to remain a free nation it all needs to go away. Legislators need to legislate with specificity and law needs to be focused on specific intent in public policy. Leaving interpretation of broadly sweeping language to bureaucrats… Read more »
How is an unintentional, accidental action, especiqlly one of minor import not deserving of grave injury level scrutiny, a “willfull act”?
God I hate attorneys
Now! ALL of the “rules and regulations” dreamed up by the AFT Bureaucrats MUST be DELETED, REMOVED, STRIPPED from EVERY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY THROUGHTOUT America! THEN, the IRS MEMO, ATF BUREAU ITSELF and TENTICALS MUST BE REMOVED FROM GOVERNMENT!!!
I may have missed it, but what was the name of the case?
Basically, the administrative agencies have been writing, enforcing, and interpreting rules and regulations (laws) on their own, under their own authority. This is government and law enforcement by “experts.” Something that has been a dream of progressives since Woodrow Wilson was president. To hell with democracy and liberty. To hell with accountability. The people are too stupid to govern themselves (which is what democracy, and a republic is all about). I personally believe that all administrative “courts” should be abolished, except immigration courts, which will soon be busy.
The part of the big picture, that nearly everybody seems to be missing seeing, like it’s not even there at all, is the FACT that the legal system, even the much vaunted USSC/SCOTUS, is prone to making errors!! A woman was imprisoned for more than 40 years of her life, due to a botched “trial” that was filled with lies and errors from one end to the other! She maybe could have had a full and rewarding life, with a loving husband and raised up some children, but all of that was taken away from her because the legal system… Read more »
But the bottom line here in all of this, is that NO ONE ever receives a written guarantee of actually getting a fair trial at any point in the legal system! Nowhere, from the bottom of it all the way to the top, can that guarantee be found! If we don’t have a guarantee that the trial will be 100% fair for all, then it’s either a gamble, or it’s a scam that is being run on us! What else can it be called? Does any man or woman have an obligation to make bets, or to be involved in… Read more »