The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals dealt another blow to the gun control regime by ruling the law banning marijuana users from owning firearms is unconstitutional.
In December 2021, El Paso, Texas, police responded to a call for “shots fired.” When they arrived on the scene, police found John Connelly standing on a neighbor’s porch with a shotgun. Police promptly arrested the man before speaking to his wife. His wife, Paola, told police she used marijuana to help with sleep and anxiety. Police would search the couple’s house, where they would turn up drug paraphernalia used for smoking marijuana. Also, in the search, police would turn up firearms, one of which belonged to the woman. Paola Connelly was not under the effects of any drugs when police searched the residence.
Police would charge Paola Connelly with “possessing firearms and ammunition as an unlawful user of a controlled substance” and “providing firearms and ammunition to an unlawful user of a controlled substance.” Both charges are federal offenses because federal law says you can not use marijuana and own a firearm even if you have a prescription for the drug. Paola did not have a record of violent offenses, and her attorney argued that the charges she faced were unconstitutional.
Ms. Connelly would file a motion to dismiss in District Court with her attorney, arguing the law was unconstitutional. The District Court would reject the motion. After the Supreme Court’s Rahimi decision, Ms. Connelly would file for a motion to reconsider. SCOTUS said in Rahimi that a dangerous person could be temporarily disarmed, but the woman didn’t have a violent past and didn’t fit the definition of “dangerous.” This time, the District Court agreed and dismissed the case, leading the government to appeal to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals.
Under the Bruen standard, a law has to be consistent with the original text, tradition, and history of the Second Amendment. The woman’s lawyers argued that she was part of “the people” and the arms in question were protected under the Second Amendment. The first step of Bruen is to see if the law is consistent with the text of the Second Amendment. The burden of proof falls to the party that envokes Bruen. In this case, that was the defense. They argued that Paola was part of the “political class,” and the three-judge panel agreed. They also argued that the firearms involved were clearly “protected arms.” The judges also agreed with the defense.
Now that step one of Bruen was satisfied, the judges moved to step two of a Bruen analysis. In step two, the burden falls on the government to show that a law is consistent with the history and tradition of firearms regulations from the founding era. The government does that by presenting historical analogs from the founding era. Most legal scholars agree that the founding era started with the ratification of the Second Amendment in 1791. The farther from the founding era, the less weight a law has as an analog. Rahimi said a referenced law doesn’t have to be a “historical twin,” but it must be similar.
The government tried to use laws from the founding era that disarmed people who felt they were dangerous. One example that was given is the banning of British Loyalists from having firearms. The judges rejected that argument, stating that the ban on marijuana users owning firearms would be more akin to the founders banning people who drank alcohol from owning guns. The judges pointed out that the founders drank copious amounts of alcohol. The judge stated the government may be able to prevent someone who is intoxicated from carrying a firearm. Still, Ms. Connelly was not under the influence of drugs at the time of the arrest and was not a dangerous person.
The government also tried to state the founders prevented the mentally ill from owning guns. Still, Ms. Connelly does not have a mental illness besides her struggles with anxiety that plague millions of Americans. The judges also stated even if she was, the earliest law preventing the mentally ill from owning guns is from 1968, almost 200 years removed from the founding era. This period was too significant for the law to give any guidance.
“There are no clear sets of positive-law statutes concerning mental illness and firearms from the Founding. Indeed, ‘[o]ne searches in vain through eighteenth-century records to find any laws specifically excluding the mentally ill from firearms ownership,’” the judges wrote. “In fact, the federal ban on gun possession by those adjudged mentally ill was enacted no sooner than 1968, the same year as § 922(g)(3). At best, scholars suggest that the tradition was implicit at the Founding because, ‘in eighteenth-century America, justices of the peace were authorized to ‘lock up’ ‘lunatics’ who were ‘dangerous to be permitted to go abroad.’’ Put otherwise: if someone was so mentally ill that he presented a danger to themselves or others and could therefore be imprisoned (a greater restriction on liberty), it follows that he could also be disarmed (a lesser restriction).”
The judge upheld the motion to dismiss. The government can ask for the Fifth Circuit to take the case en banc, where the entire bench will hear the case, but there is no guarantee that the case will be granted an en banc hearing. If it is, it is a long shot that the en banc will reverse the panel’s decision. That leaves the government petitioning the Supreme Court to take up the case, but that is probably a losing proposition. The most likely bet is for the government to drop the case.
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Personally, I have no use for marijuana. That said, for decades, I have thought it ridiculous, the number of lives and reputations destroyed by the government(s) over a plant that has the ability to grow in nature. I hope this judge’s ruling is upheld, all the way to The US Supreme Court.
It has been used for centuries by man for a multitude of things. It is generally used as an herb, worldwide. From what I have heard, cannabis was used by a lot of our founding fathers.
I have understood that too, Oldman! I just prefer to sidestep the numerous legal issues that go with it in this day and time. If it were up to me, they would legalize it.
Don’t get me wrong… I don’t promote any herb for anything without real knowledge about the item in question. I dabbled a bit with pot. That was almost 60 years ago and never saw that much in it. Coke is different. Never played with it, but I have had several close friends that did. Never turned out good for any of them.
To compare marijuana today to what you dabbled in 60 years ago is a modern cannon to David’s slingshot. Public sentiment is battering down the legal walls and soon it will be everywhere. I just view this as another bargaining chip that Republicans have squandered. Maybe it’s not too late but they could (have) offer(ed) lifting restrictions on marijuana in conjunction with eliminating some gun laws or formalizing reciprocity.
The other problem with modern marijuana is nearly all of it is laced with fentanyl.
Correct me if I am wrong since this is way out of my wheelhouse but I am unaware of that being an issue with the products being sold through (locally) lawful dispensaries which was meant to be the context of my comment. But off the street? Yeah. I wouldn’t be surprised if knockoff Rolex watches from a street vendor were laced with fentanyl.
As I understand it, it depends where you go. I’ve read/seen on programs, where even the “legal” dispensary stuff is sometimes laced with it too. In Maine, they have hundreds of grow houses, that grow and ship the dope to NYC, etc. They use Chinese immigrants, legal, or otherwise as slave labor. The state refuses to do anything. I assume it’s the same all over. In terms of Maine, it sounds like the biggest issue, isn’t fentanyl, but various herbicides, to prevent mold and wilt, and the plant sucks it up, and it stays in the plant, and is potentially… Read more »
I can agree with that, and in the State of WA, everything the politicians do is about more taxation. I can remember back in the day when they legalized the state lottery and said the taxes on it would all go to public schools and that never happened. If it had happened we would have no issues with being an uneducated state, with low crime and no gun laws. That is what no education does to the youngins these days.
That was the deal decades ago in most States when lotteries were adopted. The public was told the money would go to education if they voted for it. They did and it did. The public was not told that every dollar from gambling that went to education was offset by an equal reduction of education dollars from traditional sources and those dollars would be greedily spent elsewhere by politicians in hopes of buying future votes. Let us not digress into a discussion on the sad state of public, and private, education. (Including administration tolerance of children coming to school stoned.)
Agreed
Yes and so was cocaine.
No, it was not. Cannabis sativa is native to Southeast Asia and was not brought to these shores until the mid-1800s as an experiment; It was thought that it might be suitable for ropemaking as it grows faster than hemp but the fibers were found to be inferior in strength so the experiment ended. Regular hemp, being related, contains minute quantities of THC. “Smoking rope” occurred and the phrase “Have you been smoking rope?” was analogous to the modern “Are you high?” as a derogatory query/statement about someone’s stupidity. The Founders could not have used marijuana nor could the Indians… Read more »
One thing to keep in mind when it comes to pot, is the pot of today, isn’t the same as the pot from the ’60s, through to about the ’80s or ’90s. You know how over time, with corn, soy, etc, they’ve developed higher yielding varieties? The cartels have done the same to pot. I’ve read where the THC and stuff in pot, the chemicals that make you high, depending on what variety you have today, are 3 to 5 times higher in those chemicals than the ones in the ’60s, ’70s. Edibles are a whole other story, because kids… Read more »
They were growing high-yield pot in CA back in the ’70s.
Yes, but I think the definition, based on the chemical levels has changed since then.
And they didn’t lace it with fentanyl back then either.
Why so many down votes? Lots of pot heads here?
What I do agree with you on, is that if society deems people safe enough to be in public, that they’ve done their time in prison, and paid their debt to society, then they should have all of their rights.
If however, society believes someone can’t be trusted to own a gun, or vote, etc, then, there’s a place for them… Prison or an asylum depending on what their problem is.
the house of cards the progs and gun grabbers have built is crumbling one card at a time, but it is still crumbling.
the text, and the context of the Second Amendment is finally being upheld as it should be by some federal courts.
the Constitution and Bill of Rights is not a living breathing document, it does not change with the times or with peoples beliefs. it is a document that gives power to the people not the government. and that is what makes it such an incredible document.
The Constitution can be changed via a Constitutional Convention, but that hasn’t happened in some time.
But it’s futile to argue the Constitution with people and courts who refuse to believe in it. To them it’s just a piece of paper some old dead white guys wrote that’s meaningless.
We don’t live in a Constitutional Republic anymore. We don’t even live in a democracy. We live in a fascist empire that’s in it’s death throws.
Good morning. I believe we’re living in an oligarchy that could easily turn fascist. I believe your “…old dead white guys…” (I use that term a lot) set it up to be an oligarchy in order to pay off war debts, but also to favor the landed, monied, gentry who were needed to be on board with running the new, rapidly expanding, country. While that exact term may not have been on their minds, an argument can be made that an empirical look at the results will reach that conclusion. YMMV, and I’m OK with that. The Constitution can also… Read more »
I think the oligarchy and fascism are the same, in effect, and only different in theory.
I also think you theory on the Founders is wrong. I think the way society and government have changed since the Founding is just the normal progression for society… Bad times make hard men, good times make soft men. And with those soft men, our society is crumbling, and our government is encroaching.
And I said the Constitution can be changed. You’re correct, there’s a process for that.
And whenever Newsom speaks, I get nervous. He’s evil.
Good afternoon. I disagree oligarchy and fascism are the same. While they are closely related, oligarchies can exist within a democratic republic, as has been the case for years in the U.S.; fascism requires an authoritarian form of government to exist, if it is to exist at all. That is why I said our oligarchy could easily turn fascist. I don’t believe we’re there yet. Maybe our differences are by degree. You don’t hurt my feelings by disagreeing with my theories on the Founders, but you didn’t offer a reason why you disagreed. I’ll admit to being a bit of… Read more »
Regarding the third sentence, prosperity leads to complacency, which leads to tyranny, because people don’t want anything to interrupt their comforts. That’s why I say, hard times make strong men, and good times make soft men. I do disagree, we can quible about semantics, but the US ruled by authoritarians. Political theories, the name, what have you, is all irrelevant. We are not free. In regards to California, it’s the same all over, our elections are rigged, because we live under an authoritarian regime. Whether you call it fascist, socialist, communist, an oligarchy, who cares? We are not free. And… Read more »
Good afternoon again. Thanks for the quick response. To your first paragraph, unless I’m missing something, it seems you are making a case we are in good times right now, and have gotten soft as a result. I would point to a large part of the population who feel times are not so good, some of whom comment regularly here. If the U.S. is ruled by authoritarians, can you name them? If by that statement you mean the monied interests run the 2 political parties, I can get on board with that, because it circles back to my theory the… Read more »
First off, I’m not sure I understood all your points, so, give this response a little leeway. I’d say we are in the middle, the good times, are quickly fading, and bad is quickly emerging. I’m looking at this by decades, not just to the last (s)election cycle. I think it’s highly likely the US will crumble in the very near future. Or at least some other huge shift will occur. Authoritarians, yes. The globalists, such as the Wold Economic Forum-Wall Street too, Black Rock, etc. The military industrial complex, name any defense contractor, one being Boeing. And the CIA.… Read more »
Good evening.
You get the last word.
Thanks, stay well.
RF
For what it’s worth, I appreciate a civil disagreement. That’s something you don’t see much of these days.
Good night.
Good evening.
So do I. I believe it’s a lost art, and I believe we’re not as far apart as it might seem.
Bedtime for old men.
Thanks, stay well.
RF
Likewise. I’ve gotta get sack time too, tomorrow’s a shooting trip day.
Feel free to write me again, I enjoy civil debates.
As compared to alcohol in regards to firearms possession. Under current federal testing laws for THC in the body, 50 nano-grams/milliliter on the initial test requires a confirmation test, although any positive levels at all with result in a 2nd test and 15 nano-grams/milliliter on the confirmation test is considered under the influence. 1 nano-gram is equal to 1/billionth of a gram. Partaking just one time can stay in your urine for up to 30 days. Unlike alcohol there is currently no test or level to determine sobriety. Also be aware of CBD products. Many of them have included THC… Read more »
i have seen people habitually drunk (drink heavily every day) and people high from smoking pot daily (sometimes multiple times a day). the drunks are much more dangerous in virtually every way. if the government doesn’t strip alcoholics of their Second Amendment rights, why the smokers?
the drug classification system schedule needs to be thought over again and updated.
The best analogy I’ve heard to explain the difference between a drunk and someone high is which would you rather have coming at you on the highway? A drunk going 90 MPH thinking he was only going 20 or someone high going 20 thinking they were going 90.
I was often drunk or high way, way back in my teens and I have to say that I and most of my friends were far more capable when we were drunk than when we were high and acted far less stupidly. Also, drinkers tend to be drinkers while potheads tend to branch-out into other drugs.
Allowing a pothead to carry a gun is analogous to allowing a blind man to drive – either is far too dangerous to others to be a good idea.
The problem with your analogy is drunks never believe they are drunk and can do anything, Hence the term “Here hold my beer while I !!!!!. Potheads on the other hand know they are stoned and don’t do stupid 5hit because of it.
Unquestionably, the pot heads will simply cull themselves from the herd. Call it natural selection at work.
Music to Play with the Pitbull’s by:
David Peel & The Lower East Side – Have A Marijuana 1968
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The fifth circuit court determined. How about us in the leftist states that are ruled over by the 9th. Does this mean that all states will have the same rule? Hell no because each state gets to make up it’s own laws, right! So, this needs to go to the Supreme Court to be ruled on because I (the person that wants to use CBD oil on his rheumatoid joints) wants to keep his CCW when he tests positive for pot and yes there is traces of THC in the good stuff and the federal law says it is a… Read more »
hopefully i am stating this correctly.
you are right, each state can make up its own laws, but the federal district court circuit governs multiple states. each district decides cases in that area and determines the constitutionality of the laws made and establishes precedent. one circuit can but doesn’t have to follow another circuits rulings, but they can hold some weight. and that is where scotus comes in, when circuits have differing or conflicting decisions. and that is where the feces hit the rotating oscillator.
Love the feces and oscillator. Thanks for the chuckle.
Have to set up a Google Account to download the Court Case. That’s a shame.
The legalizing of drugs like m.j. is one thing and I have little argument against it when used for medicinal purposes BUT using drugs and/or alcohol when handling firearms is inviting disaster. Many times people don’t even know they are stoned even after several joints but they are none the less under the influence. Accidents happen, mistakes happen and shit happens, we all know this to be true. Once someone is shot they tend to stay shot for the rest of their lives —– if they survive. Knowing it was an accident is not going to magickly heal them or… Read more »