Opinion
By Larry Keane
For America’s gun owners, including the 22.3 million new first-time gun owners since 2020, the latest shocking news about former U.S. Representative and former Democratic presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii) being placed on the U.S. Government’s Transportation Safety Administration (TSA) Quiet Skies “list” should be gravely concerning.
The knowledge that former Congresswoman Gabbard was on the Quiet Skies “list” only came to light because of whistleblowers concerned of political retribution for her outspoken stances against the Biden-Harris administration. The track record of the federal government and watchlists is dismal. Federal agencies have abused these lists which are ripe for targeting political opposition – including Second Amendment supporters and gun owners.
‘Clear Act of Political Retaliation’
The quick recap is that former Rep. Gabbard, recently had some choice words for the Biden-Harris administration on Fox News and criticized the now-Democratic nominee Vice President Kamala Harris as a weak candidate for holding flawed positions. That’s her First Amendment right to do so.
Show host Laura Ingraham pointed out the questionable timing of Rep. Gabbard’s placement on a government watchlist, saying, “So what exactly did Tulsi Gabbard do to get added to the terrorist watch list? It came the day after she criticized the Biden administration… How does this make you feel?”
The former congresswoman was blunt. “Laura, this is a pure act of political retaliation. There’s no other way to put it,” Rep. Gabbard said. “The very next day, after my conversation with you on the air warning the American people about how dangerous a Kamala Harris presidency could be, I was placed on this domestic terror watchlist, which is called the ‘Quiet Skies’ list under the Department of Homeland Security… To now have my own government now turn around and put me on a domestic terror watch list, it hits to the core and is the ultimate sense of betrayal.”
Rep. Gabbard also explained that “everything changed” for her and her family since being added to the watchlist on July 23. They endure excessive hours long security screenings at airports and have multiple federal air marshals on their flights. Rep. Gabbard explained the major concern is the unknown, saying, “This is the real pain and stress that’s been caused both to me and my family by this whole situation … day and night wondering if and what government institution and agency is monitoring my phone calls, surveilling me in my movement in my travels, knowing that they may be looking for some kind of excuse or derogatory action to come after me.”
Sound Familiar?
New guns owners, which comprise a Florida-sized population surge since 2020, might be unfamiliar with how some in the federal government treat gun owners, their private information and financial transactions. It’s not limited to the federal government. States that are hostile to gun rights have their own track record of abusing “lists” of gun owners.
In 2022, California officials apologized after a trove of private personal information of concealed carry permit holders was “leaked.” The sensitive information included the names, dates of birth, gender, race, driver’s license numbers and addresses of permit holders. That data leak also included the type of permit issued, indicating if the permit holder was a member of law enforcement or a judge.
In Washington, D.C., the U.S. Treasury’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) admitted to U.S. Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) that it violated citizens’ Fourth Amendment rights when it collected the credit card purchase history from banks and credit card companies of individuals who purchased firearms and ammunition in the days surrounding Jan. 6, 2020. This all happened while gun control activists and antigun media personalities were pushing financial institutions to implement a Merchant Category Code (MCC) for credit card purchases at firearm stores. FinCEN would be the agency to handle all those “suspicious activity reports” from the credit card companies regarding those firearm-related purchases.
Treasury’s FinCEN had no cause, and sought the information without a warrant, to place law-abiding citizens on a government watchlist only because they exercised their Second Amendment rights to lawfully purchase firearms and ammunition. This is also why NSSF supports state and federal legislation to block financial institutions from requiring the use of a firearm-specific tracking code.
Setting the Table
Americans who support the Constitution and the right to keep and bear arms should watch closely to what the Democratic ticket has to say about gun control. For Vice President Kamala Harris and her vice presidential nominee, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, implementing universal background checks on all firearm purchases and transfers is one of their top priorities should they win The White House in November.
We need leaders with the courage to act.
Congress and state legislators must keep our communities safe by making background checks universal, passing red flag laws, and banning assault weapons.
— Vice President Kamala Harris (@VP) August 13, 2024
However, universal background checks on firearm sales and transfers would require a national gun registry in order to work. That’s unlawful. It would also have no effect on criminals, who overwhelmingly obtain firearms through illicit means
Thankfully, a national firearm registry is prohibited due to the 1986 Gun Control Act and the Brady Act of 1993, which created the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) and made clear that NICS cannot be used to create a firearm registry.
Rep. Gabbard is rightly concerned that she might be a victim of political targeting. Government watchlists are ripe for abuse and mistakes. Despite these flaws, Sen. Chris Murphy pushed for these lists to be employed against Americans to deny them their Second Amendment rights. History shown that even the late Massachusetts Sen. Edward Kennedy, was mistakenly added to the list in 2004. It took him and his staff weeks to get his name removed.
Now imagine how long it would take a normal, law-abiding American to get removed from the list, all for simply exercising their Constitutional rights. Government agencies creating “lists” of Americans that can be used to target them for political differences is concerning. For gun owners, they’ve already seen how these can be abused.
About The National Shooting Sports Foundation
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The no fly list was written to be ripe for abuse. and we’re seeing this with Gabbard. We also saw this with Ted Swim Champ Kennedy except that Kennedy had hte political clout to get removed from the no fly list. The rest of us do not have that clout
I’m on the list too. I’ve been on the list even as I was an officer working for the State of Indiana, before my injury-induced early retirement. Also because I’m outspoken and will not self-censor. I’m not as famous but pretty much in the same boat. So are millions of other Americans! Chances are, you’re already on at least one watchlist; there are many. People are only now seeing how the government is weaponized against us but it’s been this way for a few decades now. If you’ve gone to gun rallies, protested a tyrannical bill or executive action, or… Read more »
Don’t forget the banks! Sending all your gun purchase data to the Feds, plus all your other naughty spending…
That is why I have lived by the motto, “Cash is King”. And 2A rights aren’t the only rights in peril. The tyrants are trying to take away the last vestiges of anonymity in every sphere of human activity, but especially in finance. They want to create a cashless digital economy, which would be the death of freedom writ large.They could, if you’re naughty, just shut off your ability to buy or sell. And that of course is how they’ll enforce the ‘Mark of the Beast’ mentioned in the Bible. And it will have to do with what day you… Read more »
The dollar might as well be used as asswipe. Gold!
I’m collecting all the fungible metals; gold, silver, copper and lead!
I’m also a proponent of owning the curious mineral combination known as M855…
There’s a similar amalgam known as M80A1 though M62 is also desirable.
I think firepower is more important than penetration. But, all of these “enhanced” rounds are too much, these rifles/machine guns can’t hold up to them. An M4 will die, in less than 1/3 of the round count with M855A1 compared to regular M855.
That new 277 Sig, has a higher chamber pressure than many magnum hunting cartridges.
People keep complaining about the 5.56, but, people keep using it, and it keeps working.
That too!
Don’t forget brass.
Green tips are green, so they’re environmentally friendly, right? LOL
Yes, when used to compost bad guys, it sure is!
Winchester Lake City M855 all the way! They’re “Greener” than a Tesla!
I’ve had good results from Lahab M855, too. I grabbed a couple cases on sale and am not disappointed; the only thing I had to do was dip the tips in green paint. In that regard, it’s like Igman M855. But I concur, Winchester LC is the best!
I’ll have to keep that one in mind, never heard the name before.
When I tried Igman, it was allegedly M193, and no matter the AR15, no matter the brand or type of magazine, constant jams. When I switched to Win M193, same rifles, mags, same day even, everything worked.
Never tried Igman M855 though.
I’ve come to the opinion, that unless it’s a CNC made gun, like an AR15, American made guns today are crap. And foreign ammo, PMC, Wolf, Igman, Lapua, Armscor, Magtech, Sellier Bellot, and a few others, are all either bad to unusable. So, I stick with American ammo. Lately, Winchester, and Remington for centerfire, and CCI for rimfire has been the best stuff I’ve seen in the past year. My new Weatherby Vanguard 30-06, doesn’t like Hornady anything. Very stiff pushing the bolt handle down. Tried with several boxes/types, all the same. Didn’t shoot but 3 rounds. Loaded Remington Core… Read more »
Odd, I never had problems with Wolf or S&B. And FYI, last I looked, PMC and Magtech are made in the USA, in Texas and Minnesota, respectively. Armscor started a very long time ago as a Philippine company, but moved to the US a few decades ago and has production facilities in Nevada and Montana. These 3 brands work OK for me, I’ve shot their stuff and never had a lick of trouble.
PMC’s a quasi Korean Army owned company that’s main purpose is making Korean Army ammo. They have a stateside office in Texas to satisfy the ATF B.S., but the factory is in Korea. Magtech, is owned by conglomerate, just was recently bought/merged. They too have a stateside office, here in the Twin Cities, but their factory is in Brazil. Armscor has a stateside ammo plant, but I don’t believe any of their guns are made here. Some of their ammo is, but the ammo I had was marked, “MADE IN PHILLIPINES” on the box. Wolf is foreign. They just import… Read more »
The only way to get the best results is to load the ammunition to the particular rifle. IMHO.
You mean handload?
Yes, hand load, reload, load your own ammo to each specific rifle.
For long range precision shooting, no doubt handloading’s best. But for your average shooter and hunter, factory ammo, provided it’s from a “name brand” for lack of a better term, is more than fine.
I suppose, but I never adhered to that “its good enough” standard. Here at the ranch, I have a 50 yrd pistol range, and 200 meter .22 rifle range, and a 900 meter rifle range.
Next you’ll say you can shoot a flea off a flies ass at 900 meters too.
An orange. 6.5 Lapua, 140 grain Sierra Matchking. 41 grains of H4350. I and the neighbor, during nice weather. You could learn a lot form us older people.
Fed!
To be fair, lately I’ve only been shooting three cartridges, 5.56, 30-06 and .22LR though.
My main rifle cartridges are 5.56 & 7.62×51 NATO, but I do have a nice little Ruger 10/22 for plinking. Pistol-wise, mainly .40 & .45ACP but I do have a little .380 for a backup piece. I’m gonna be buying a 10MM as a Christmas gift to myself, but also a 9mm because I’ve been away from that for 24 years and I want to get back into it for all the reasons!
I don’t have a 308. More out of preference for old 30-06 Remingtons, the actual rifles themselves, than the cartridge. Earlier this year I made the mistake of buying a 6.5 Creedmore Winchester XPR. Neither the cartridge nor the rifle impressed me. I think I only took it out twice? Three times? Then traded it. I think I just killed a Winchester Wildcat…. I wish I knew how many rounds, I’d guess a minumum of 20,000 through a $230 22LR, so can’t complain. I’ve never shot a .40. Dad’s of the opinion the only handgun worth owning is a 45ACP… Read more »
At one time a couple years ago, I was thinking of getting into 6.5CM, but the more I looked into it, the less I liked it. Right now I’m thinking the ticket to ride is the .277 Fury in the Sig MCX Spear. It’s the civilian version of what the military is switching to, and my guess is at some point the civvy market will see Lake City over-run ammo just as we do now with 5.56NATO. At that point hopefully we will see 6.8SPC barrels on the market so this hotter round can be shot.
My biggest complaint about the 6.5CM, was how long it took to group. It had “heavy” relatively barrel considering it was a deer rifle. I found out why…
Three shots, on a cool spring day, and that barrel was so HOT it sizzled my fingers.
It was a Win. XPR, and I still have Sig ammo, that wouldn’t fit in the chamber.
Do you watch Small Arms Solutions?
I’ll check it out.
He’s an firearms engineer by trade, not some generic “gun tuber”. He gets very technical.
Just thought you’d wanna know what you’re in for, if you cough up all that dough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuunkoD1TUM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IVYuG1yr8E
This is the one I was looking for…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcYCsNuTU2c
The civilian 277 is severely down loaded.
I fear that digital currency is coming, regardless of who is (s)elected.
Yes… (s)elected is right!
Well said. What the Progressive New Left fears most is informed, educated and armed citizen-soldiers who do not fear them. I learned this in the 1970’s when our government chose to send me to a very left wing, left coast university to study communist and fascist ideology and history. Everyone knew who I was and what I was and rooms went silent when I entered until people got to know me but they will never, every fight you square up, Mano-a-mano. They go for the back shiv or the bureaucratic silencing. That is where we are now. The Ministry of… Read more »
A Marine? I’m reading ‘One Bullet Away’ right now. Good book so far.
Unfortunately there are too many sheeple that have bought into the idea of “WE’RE WITH THE GOVERNMENT AND WE’RE HERE TO HELP YOU”. They honestly believe that the feds are the good guys and would never do anything against the law, they think NO ONE needs a gun for protection, (I live 30 miles in the country and response times in the best of conditions is 20-30 minutes). This administration has proven time and time again that they have no use for our constitution or the rights of its citizens
What do you expect of a society that for over 100 years has indoctrinated children, k-12. Taken both parents out of the home to work. Then send the kids to college to be further brainwashed. Then, add to that brainwashing with government controlled media?
do you honestly think that because the 1968 gca says “prohibited” and nics which says it “cannot” create a national firearms registry that our government will or has not done so already?
remember the batfe agents taking photos of 4473’s?
how about nics itself? the government has all the relevant information for every firearm purchased since its inception, and you don’t think they made copies of that?
True story. And for Slow Joe Biden, let this counterinsurgency expert fill him in on a few details: we know where ATF, FBI and IRS and other alphabet agency agents live and work. We know where their kids go to school. We know where their wives work and shop. You cannot hide. If Joe and his clown show declare a civil war on Natural Law freedoms that civil war will be unconfined and unconstrained. Think drug cartels in Mexico and how they keep the federales and national police at bay. They can make all the lists they want. I know… Read more »
The NRA said NICS couldn’t be made into a national gun registry. Don’t you believe them? LOL
I do not comprehend the connection.
Tulsi Gabbard has her opinions, some I agree with some I don’t.
She isn’t a leading 2A proponent (to say the least), so what has this to do with gun owners?
That said this issue should concern EVERYONE
I believe that being on the no fly list makes a person prohibited from owning or purchasing firearms. Unfortunately the people on the list do not get notified that they are on the list and there is no reasonable process for getting removed from the list when errors are made.
Hi Jim! As far as I know, being on the no-fly list does not make you a prohibited person. A lot of gun grabbers have pushed to make that the case because many have no way of knowing they are on it until it becomes an issue, and frequently nobody knows how they got on the list or who put them on it. Such a law would be a gun grabbers wet dream.
Exactly, Oldvet! Exactly, Sir!
she would have done a Stalin purge
Oh definitely. The thing though, had she gone in, I believe things would have gotten real very quickly and Patriots would have set about taking our country back from the NWO via 1776 Part II.
Oldvet think the VA would become a killing ground
Who says it isn’t now? An old boss and good friend of mine is a Vietnam Combat Vet who earned a Purple Heart. While the VA has done good things for his benefit, it worries me no end that they keep pushing new Covid “booster” jabs on him. Unfortunately, he takes every one they offer. I have tried explaining that these jabs are likely more harmful than good, but he believes in them. All I can do is pray for an old friend’s continued good health.
Oldvet, my friend suffered with that and appears to have beaten it. Prayers answered. I hope he lives to be 100. Dude has forgotten more about guns and gunsmithing than I will ever know. He is still one hell of a shot, too. We need these people.
I hope he gets better, I too have had more than a few friends with the same problem, the outcome is better for early detection,
Early detection for prostate cancer is pretty much hit and miss. Most men over 60 have enlarged prostates which is normally benign. Doctors have to have a pretty educated finger to determine which enlarged prostate is cancerous. The blood test is even more dubious as it has way too many false positives. I am not a doctor and the doctors I have talked to have told me two different things. Some have said the blood tests are reliable, some have said they aren’t. All have said the only way to really tell is a biopsy…..which in itself can lead to… Read more »
BTW, the actor, Anthony Quinn, lived for twenty years + after being diagnosed with prostate cancer.
Colonoscopies cannot detect prostate cancer. They detect abnormalities in the lower GI tract and are a very valuable tool, especially for those with family histories of GI tract cancers. (stomach, intestinal and colon)
As it runs in our family, (dad, uncle, cousins, etc.) I’ve watched my PSA levels carefully over the years. Dad, (who was a doctor,) was always pushing me to have it surgically removed because he knew several people that went the radiation route, with results 20 years later that were extremely unfortunate. (Just recently, we found out that a friend of ours who opted for radiation ‘seeds’ 20 some odd years ago, has had his cancer return with a vengeance.) I followed dads advice, and just got it yanked out two years ago, and so far, no problems as far… Read more »
Well, unfortunately for Ope, he has pancreatic cancer.
with luck they caught it soon enough
Well, he is back in the hospital as of the 14th and it does not look good, the last we heard.
I am sorry to hear that. He is a good guy.
anyone who served with distinction would be on a hit list …..oath keepers
Stalin’s list was never ending something like 130,000,000
he had 1million directly killed ,but the indirect deaths from all the controlled governments jails work camps
Airlines go out of business due to lack of eligible passengers? Security lines move so slowly it becomes quicker to just drive? There are more federal air marshals on the plane than actual passengers?
At some point, there will be so many people on the list that it becomes useless for its original stated purpose, or any other purpose.
It matters, because anyone with a real voice (or influence) is being targeted. i.e., Steve Bannon, Alex Jones, Roger Stone. Miss Gabbard has definitely changed her position on the Second Amendment, and that is a good thing. We need all the allies we can muster.
It goes beyond gun owners because it is against our first amendment which even morons have a right too but I guess now it doesn’t extend to republicans that speak against the KING or kingstress.
they dont believe in rights the think they should have absolute control
If a Democrat, will put a Democrat on a no fly list for saying she thinks another Democrat sucks, then imagine what they’ll be willing to do to red necks like us.
The Biden / Harris organization is the closest to communism this country has ever been . Harris is a chameleon that lies daily to the American people about her agendas . Stealing ideas and elections is what she is all about . Hoping the American people can see through her lies and rhetoric and send her packing back to the communist state she came from .
She’s just a whore. She sells herself to the highest bidder, which, as of 2024 is the Wall Street/Globalist/Military Industrial Complex.
They are all owned by those groups, sad to say.
And that’s why they tried to kill Trump…
And that’s why they killed JFK.
Reagan… I’m still unclear why the Bush family tried to kill him, but, the Bush family did try.
Food for thought. The weaponization of the different agencies against republicans shows our government has become tyrannist and a dictatorship. Our government has been taken over by Marxists. Hitler did the same thing and freedom of speech was only approved if there was a Heil Hitler behind it.
Weaponized against REPUBLICAN VOTERS! NOT Republican politicians. They keep funding the alphabet soup nightmare.
Of course, Trump’s the one out liar. They shot his ear off.
That one of these roaches who has voted against freedom and for stronger gun laws is on the receiving end of their own crap is supposed to somehow bother me? Sorry, it doesn’t. Not in the least.
There are forces at work within the “conservative” movement who are hell bent and determined to force Tulsi Gabbard down our throats, or up somewhere else, as our next latest and greatest “reformed” savior. Sorry, I am not buying it. Lots of simps are all for it “because she’s purty”. Again, not buying it.
I wonder if you’re giving JD Vance as much scrutiny. She has clearly changed – many have since the left has started showing their true colors.
(Also, Donald Trump helped get bump stocks banned – does he get a pass?)
If you have read my previous posts on here, you know that I am not a Trump fan, for that reason and many others. I voted for him in 2016 and have been disappointed ever since. I catch hell from a lot of good people on here for that. Vance seems to be very good on 2A and I hope he stays that way. That said, I am aware that his wife has suspicious alliances such as having been a clerk for Turncoat Roberts (SCOTUS) and his little buddy, Kavanaugh. The NWO/JWO uses a lot of deception and deceptors to… Read more »
I listened to part of an interview with Gabbard and the only takeaway message I got was that she’s not from the batshit crazy meathead wing of the racist Democrat death cult. I bet if I dig into her record, she’d vote with the meathead wing of the racist Democrat death cult far too often
I would not bet against you, Jim. I would lose my money.
she is a dumborat
Her rat tendency’s haven’t left her. She is the equivalent of kmalatoe and uncle Joe. You do what you need to do to get elected or get a position in government for those great benefits, connections, power and money.
She would vote to ban AR’s in a heartbeat.
Friends don’t let friends vote DEMONcRAT.
44 gets it, she is not who you think she is.
So many are unable to grasp that for some reason!
You are correct, MusicMan! She, and the forces who are pushing her, want her in the White House or as close to it as possible, badly! They use “conservative” pundits such as Joe Rogan, Laura Ingraham, and others, to help her get “her message” out. I have lost count of the comments by simps and other sheep on comment boards who want(ed) Trump to pick her as his VP running mate, make her Secretary of Defense, or other silliness. She is another WEF, NWO/JWO, puppet that has supposedly had a sudden change of heart after voting against our 2A rights… Read more »
Yes, they would have loved to had her right next to Trump because when they took him out, like they have already attempted to do, they would have another pawn that they could control like O’biDUMB and she would have done what ever they wanted to stay in power and have the backing of the marxist government and the media currently in control that can change a turd into a queen like they are doing with Kamalatoe. I would apologize to you now that I know you are an XX for using Kamalatoe, but if I did that it could… Read more »
funny that ss with our government is starting to resemble the ss from Germany agency to protect …..or eliminate rivals
No fan of Kamala, but as anyone who knows me knows; I have a very special level of disdain for those who come to us as “allies” but are in reality, working for the enemy. I am more tolerant of the card-carrying communist or whatever than the mole. Everyone can see the card-carrying commie for what they are. Sadly, the moles (like Tulsi) fool many.
rick scott
second amendment but red flag…14th does not deserve same as first?
Scott is a great example of what I was talking about!
You are spot on. I say, you know what you get with a democrap but with a RINO? When will and what will they turn on!!!
People’s thinking evolves. I’m sure you’re opinions have changed, over the years. Mine have. I don’t know if Gabbard’s actually changing, or if she’s just a bleeding heart as opposed to a full on commie woketard.
But, I think we should expect people’s opinions to change over time, and if they are leaning right, why dismiss them? Instead why not encourage them? Again, I don’t know if she’s truly changing her mind on things, but, why not hear what people have to say?
Hi Nick! What I see in her is what I see in 99.999% of politicians. She wants to be at the top, where the power and the big bucks are, and she will say or do anything, or anyone, to get there. She voted against pro-gun bills and for anti-gun bills, for years. She needs to show me an equal or actually greater amount of effort (not just words) expended in our behalf before I would consider trusting her. Besides, female politicians just suck in most cases, even worse than the males. They take greed, lust for power, love of… Read more »
I agree with you on all your points. My point, was, IF (big if), someone, in this case her, has really changed, lets hear them out. But I would need to see A LOT of GOOD action before I would ever consider supporting ANYONE with a past record like hers. Trump, for instance was just ok on guns. Bump stocks/red flags. He fought the anti gunners on other issues, but caved on those. But, his prior stances, going back to the ’80s and ’90s were totally anti gun. In Trump’s case though, I think if he’d been lobbied by someone… Read more »
Govt went full commie 2020-2024, and now they publicly display all the commie BS using Harris as the sacrificial mouthpiece. The only way the commies have a chance is via big fraud voting.
LOL-She’s one of Klaus Schwab’s “young global leaders.” GTFOH.
Is that where she learned to suck to chrome off trailer hitches?…
What is done in secret let it be shouted from the rooftops. Thank God, literally that there are still people of courage who stand for reason and justice and are willing to do so in spite of career concerns. I have long known that the Transportation Security Agency was loaded up with a gang of Eichmanns and Brown Shirts since its inception. How do I know this? I coordinated veterans employment programs at a community college during the 9/11 and post 9/11 madness period. Every vet I sent to be tested to fill fatherland security positions tested in the 95th… Read more »
Bush will go down as one of the worst monsters in American history.
All of them.
Personally, the only President I’d ever wanna meet would be Col. Roosevelt. Rifleman, hunter, explorer, rancher, Cavalryman, Lawman. He was responsible for the military dumping the Krag and adopting the 1903- which was a Mauser clone. He was so impressed with the Mausers the Spanish had in the war, how one squad could pin down a company of his Cavalrymen, he immediately upon becoming President, told the Ordanance Dept., to dump the Krag and issue Mausers. Ordance didn’t like the idea of buying foreign rifles, so they asked if they could just copy them. Col. Roosevelt immediately fired back saying… Read more »
The ATF has a billion records in its Gun Registry, GOA found that out moron.
And, why is this so shocking? Wasn’t locking up all those people after Jan. 6th and throwing them in gulags a wake up call?
This is encouraging. Considering that many of these records were obtained by illegally scanning 4473s, it means that there may be close to a billion guns in the hands of the American people.
Well over a billion. Those 4473’s were scanned via the… I forget the name. You know, a FFL must keep all 4473’s? Well when the FFL goes out of business, he must surrender all his 4473’s, ALL, to the ATF on his closing. Also, that includes if the ATF shuts a FFL down, like they’ve been so eager to do the last few years. That’s how the ATF got the 4473s.
It’s been said, and I find it likely, that the American people own more guns than the government… Federal, state, AND local.
After they’re scanned they are run through Optical Character Recognition (OCR) to make them searchable. Diddlesboys said they don’t have the searchability function activated in their software but pretty much anyone with a thinking brain knows he’s lying.
Just the mere fact that an FFL has to call in for a background check is enough for a partial registry.
So many people in our society, simply haven’t got a clue. The little they think they know, is absorbed only accidentally, by listening to late night propagandist/comedians, and fake news. They will never understand that Communism lends itself to abusing the authority of government. Tulsi Gabbard is only the latest person to piss off the Communist Marxocrats. I offer the phony charges, court performance, and convictions against Donald J. Trump… whose only real “crime” is that he won two elections against the Marxocrats, although only one was acknowledged. The J6 Fedsurrection had a choreographed riot with a PREDETERMINED random murder… Read more »
She committed the ultimate sin in the eyes of democrats, she attempted to step off the plantation.
NSSF better make up their minds whose side they’re on after the debacle of leaving NAGR high and dry in Colorado. NSSF needs to come clean about why they refused to testify about their own study that NAGR was relying on for their arguments. So Larry Keane whos side are you on?
Care to elaborate? I don’t think I’ve heard of this.
There was a LCM case where the ubiquity was documented in a NSSF report. NSSF refused to provide a witness to testify on the report’s accuracy and validity so the case had to be dropped. I think this happened just a week or two ago.
LCM?
Lake City Munitions?
Large Capacity Magazine or feeding device, as the opposition calls them.
I prefer Lake City Munitions.
That statement, considering this thread is in response to @Buckshot, implies you support the idea of some members of Congress who want to eliminate the sale of Lake City over-runs to the public. Let’s assume that is not what you meant.
I was saying I prefer LCM to stand for, as it traditionally has ‘Lake City Munitions’.
And the sale of over runs to the public was banned. I don’t agree with the ban, but it was and is banned.
No, it is not banned as evidenced by the continued sale of it by Winchester. The administration and congressional lefties wanted to but it was and is impracticable. It would not only be cost prohibitive (not that government dollars means anything) but it would violate the Winchester contract and more importantly adversely effect readiness. A lot of employees would need to be laid off and become unavailable should a conflict require all the output from maximum capability of the plant. It was in the news for a couple weeks until the idea was shot down in flames.
See, every time I’ve read about it, I read something different. I’ve also read that Win. M855 that we buy isn’t real M855, it’s just uses some of the same components, like brass.
The Win. M855 that I buy, has the NATO cross and “L.C.” stamped on it. But, I always thought it was simply overun brass, loaded to kinda sorta GI standards.
The Win. M193 can’t be GI, since they phased M193 out in the mid ’80s with the adoption of the M16A2.
I don’t know. I’ve just been doing more reading on M855. Depending on what website, it may or may not be made at Lake City. It appears, from the various sites I just browsed, Win. M855 is most likely made at Lake City, while other brands, are loaded to M855 spec. However from personal experience, I can say brands such as PMC M855 are far different than Win. M855. The OAL is so long, PMC wouldn’t feed in my AR15’s from 30rd PMAGs, Lancers, or steel mags, until round count in the mags reached, or went below 20 total rounds… Read more »
My M855 and XM193, purchased when Federal had the contract, are both headstamped with L.C. and the Nato cross-in-a-circle. I’m pretty sure Lake City is still cranking out M855. My at home mags are loaded with M855 and a tracer but all the local ranges prohibit steel core.
Interesting article here and I didn’t know there was only 7 grains of steel in M855. If you have a band saw it might be interesting to slice one open.
https://gundigest.com/gear-ammo/ammunition/green-tip-5-56-is-it-anything-special
I know I’ve tried Federal a long time ago, but can’t remember if m193 or what. That probably means it worked fine. The way they bring up Somalia is pretty stupid. They leave out ALOT. Ever see the movie ‘Black Hawk Down’? Notice how depending on the unit, some soldiers have M16A2’s, 20″ barrels, while others had various Colt carbines, with 10.5″ to 11.5″ barrels roughly? So a huge difference in muzzle velocity. Which, with the 5.56 translates directly to lethality. I doubt any 5.56 load, out of such a short barrel, the bullet would yaw. I’d be curious to… Read more »
I thought the tables in the article were interesting but the discussion also makes me wonder if I should alternate M855 with OTM because you never know exactly what the threat will be. I just like to load a tracer as next to last round in all my mags. It’s been a lot of years since I saw Blackhawk Down. FWIW, bereli.com (they sometimes advertise here) has Winchester M855 on stripper clips in a can, $285 per 420, delivered. Their specials today are on other ammo. It’s a good mailing list to be on because every once in awhile they… Read more »
I don’t put much stock in those tables. I’ve tried using ShootersCalculator, and found MAJOR problems when trying to zero. I triple checked all the data, all my measurements for sight height, and so forth, still, way off. I finally gave up, and found on Winchester’s (AMMO) website a table, and it’s worked perfect. https://ballisticscalculator.winchester.com/#!/result You’ll see at the far right, you can plug in your specific data, sight height, zero range, etc. I used it when zeroing my AR15’s, all have scopes. Worked perfect. Who knows if the velocity is correct, we all know ammo companies have a habit… Read more »
Good idea, a tracer as the second to last round. I’ve never shot anything heavier than 62gr 5.56. I’d suggest you don’t mix and match. Between different bullet profile, different bullet weight, different bullet velocity/trajectory/wind tolerance, I think consistency, for a shit hits the fan scenario is king. Before you consider 77gr, what barrel/rifling do you have? You need 1:7 to shoot 77gr OTM accurately. Also, your sights, you use irons? Red dot? Scope? Gotta figure out where point of aim, and point of impact are, for both loads, as you’re not going to be dialing sights/scope for every 30… Read more »
I live in the burbs so my longest line of site is 150, maybe 180 yards, less from a window. I’m worried about MOB and moving targets, not bullet drop or MOA in a SHTF scenario. If for some reason I need to keep it +- 3 inches I can do that too.
As for websites, if I’m really worried about price or buying enough where pennies count, I search on ammowiki.com first.
I like to keep a 300yard zero.
As a side note, I prefer my M16A4 clone to carbines. I know, Stoner thought the A2 and onward were junk. But, I like the weight, less recoil, less muzzle blast. I’ve shot the rifle and carbines side by side, and that 4″ less barrel on a carbine really cranks up the volume, and recoil too. But my carbines aren’t mid length, they’re carbine length gas systems.
Second time today awaiting approval. Sigh. I can’t even imagine what triggered it this time.
ONLY your second????!!!!!!! It’s been happening constantly to me!
FYI, shoot an email to whomever sends you the awaiting approval has been cleared email. They helped get my issue cleared up and have had no problems since.
I’m horse laughing here. I’m so glad you were able to help with the issues Nick and DIYinSTL were having with their posts. Probably would have been best not to respond and leave it to the adults to work out.
It was the “hi-cap” magazines challenge. NAGR submitted an NSSF document on the number of such magazines in the U.S. to hit on the in common use standard. NSSF refused to allow the author to testify as to it’s validity so according to court rules (all courts not just this one) the study document couldn’t be used. NAGR had to drop their challenge since the report was a main part of their argument.
I’ve always thought the NSSF was wishy washy. You’d think a “trade group” for the gun industry would be more… “Pro gun”?…
NSSF is pro gun to a certain extent but it seems they’re more in the Fudd category then we’d like. As just a guess industry insiders might have put pressure on NSSF to not reveal manufacturer’s data to reduce their exposure to the anti-gun nuts. The study was probably meant as an insiders report but once the study was in official court documents it would be publicly available so the nutters could get all the manufacturers data.
Fair point.
This did just occur to me though, could it be too many of those gun/mag/ammo companies have too many DOD contracts and don’t wanna upset Uncle Sam?
That could very well be true. It wouldn’t surprise me at all.
It’s no secret the BIGGEST gun dealer in the world is Uncle Sam. And who makes all of his guns? FN and Sig.
once upon a time colt,remington springfield general motors ingersol rand
Yes, but current ones are FN and Sig.
Textbook case of the democrats weaponization of the Government to attack their political opponents. Its true and is happening. How to make this stop.. I dunno. The Government is too large and powerful. Sheep did that….
will be a uncivil war
No, there’s no unity. Just a societal breakdown.
first thing is start to strangle the beast with the purse strings ,no money to pay positions go unfilled
I’m not sure anyone has the backbone to do it… they want and need that job and the fame…Trump could care less, that is why he said he’d drain the toxic swamp. maybe one day.
bidumb would have gotten the same if he had not withdrawn, ss mistakenly all go to lunch when crazy ….whatever ….shoots him dead , and he may still find himself stuck at home no fly for taking so long to get out
They may give FJB a pre-election JFK going away party, just to stir up chaos and some serious anti-gun fervor. It will be the perfect climate if VeepThroat/AWOLz get installed.
Isn’t there a remedy for this like the judicial branch?
GABBARD HAS TO PROVE TO ME THAT SHE HAS CHANGED HER STRIPES. SHE WAS AN MAWAIANN DEMOCRAT!
She’s being monitored to be serve as a spectacle, an example. In office politicians are nothing more than pawns of jews, so they are doing what they’re told in regards to her. She’s nothing. Learn to look deeper, kids.