Over the weekend on Friday, the Reelz show “On Patrol Live” broadcasted an officer from the Daytona Beach Police Department (DBPD) in Florida pulling over a car, believing it might be stolen. Although the officer could not prove the car was stolen, the officer was informed that a Palmetto State Armory AR-15 pistol was in the back of the vehicle.
“On Patrol Live” is a rebranding of the former A&E show “Live PD.” “Live PD” was pulled off the air due to anti-police sentiment after the killing of George Floyd during an encounter with law enforcement. The show went on hiatus for a while before being relaunched on the Reelz TV Network as “On Patrol Live.” The show features several police departments across the country broadcasting a live feed of law enforcement activities for a captivated TV audience.
The presence of the pistol led Daytona Beach Police Officer Chris Marr to detain the driver because he was 20 years old. The officer informed the driver it was illegal for him to own a pistol because he was under 21 and stated he was going to jail. The problem is that the officer was wrong and threatened to arrest someone falsely.
Under federal law, a gun owner must be 21 to buy a pistol from a federal firearms licensee (FFL). Under Florida law, a gun buyer must be 21 to buy a gun from an FFL. Neither Florida nor the federal government have any law against someone under 21 from owning a pistol. In fact, Florida doesn’t have universal background checks (UBC), which means an 18-year-old could purchase a gun from a private sale.
The young man’s father tried to inform Officer Marr that owning the gun was not against the law. Instead of verifying the statute for the ownership of pistols, the Daytona Beach Police officer threatened the father with arrest. After much pressure, the driver was forced to say that the gun was not his. He was under the impression that if he admitted to being the pistol’s owner, then he would be going to jail. The police confiscated the pistol even though there was no evidence that the gun was illegally owned or stolen.
The in-studio panel made up of law enforcement officers surmised that the man might be facing federal prison time for owning a pistol under the age of 21. The panel was comprised of a mixture of active and former law enforcement officers. The fact that they didn’t know the law was shocking. AmmoLand News contacted several lawyers to ensure the law enforcement officers were wrong. We were informed that the officers were grossly misinformed about federal and state laws. One lawyer was shocked that the DBPC officer didn’t know the state or federal law on the age at which one can own a pistol.
AmmoLand News spoke to Gun Owners of America (GOA) Florida State Director Luis Valdes about what transpired. Mr. Valdes is a former law enforcement officer who watched a replay of the interaction on TV. He pointed to a lack of training and was angered by how quickly the officer rushed to assume that a law existed that prevented a 20-year-old man from owning a firearm.
“It is a travesty that, once again, Floridians had their rights violated by Daytona Beach Police,” Valdes said. “As a former LEO myself, I am angered at the lack of training and understanding some officers in Florida have toward the Second Amendment. Nowhere in Florida’s convoluted legal system does it state an adult under 21 cannot legally own a firearm. But it appears that Ofc. Chris Marr of DBPD thinks such a law exists. This isn’t the first time that DBPD screwed over a Florida gun owner. Just recently, the agency illegally arrested a resident for openly carrying on his own property while protecting his daughter from an aggressive pit bull! It appears that Daytona Beach isn’t a safe place for gun owners.”
Immediately after the interaction, AmmoLand News contacted the media contact from the DBPD via email, phone calls, and text. We wanted to know if Officer Marr has been corrected on the law and how the department will ensure its officers will not repeat the same mistake. As of Sunday night, AmmoLand News has not gotten a response. AmmoLand News also contacted “On Patrol Live,” but our request for comment was ignored.
On Saturday, the show “On Patrol Live” did not mention the encounter. This encounter shows the dangers of police encounters when the officers do not know the law.
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Here’s hoping that lawsuits against Daytona Beach PD and Officer Marr are forthcoming! While they are at it, why not a hefty lawsuit against On Patrol Live for their involvement and support in the case against the victim, as well as possibly slander for making him out to be a criminal when in fact, he was not?
make it so expensive to the city that they hire police that can follow the law
Yes!
Expensive cops who STEAL CITIZENS FIREARMS!
That’ll require termination of the current police chief and all the brass.
The only problem with making it expen$ive is that the local Taxpayer Citizens will end up footing the bill. We need punishment other than $. Sue them personally. Terminate them. Prohibit them from holding that job ever again.
Yes, On Patrol Live too for supporting unconstitutional acts of the Fourth and Second Amendments committed by the Negligent Police. And Dirty Internal Affairs will do there usual job of protecting Officer Chris Marr, Police Department and City of Daytona by clearing Officer Chris Marr of any law and contitutional violations; only stating as is the norm of Internal Affairs that a “Police Policy” was not followed so as to strategically lie and assist in helping the Police Department’s Attorney’s with the forth comming Title 42 Section 1983 Action.
Dan Abrams, the shows host is a lefty and hosts a opinion show on Newsnation. He claims he’s a legal/constitutional scholar and has written books.
Abrams is a farce. As is ‘OP Live’ and Officer Marr. By the way, Officer Marr’s big brother is a Lt. on the DBPD and regular on the show, even having been a guest panelist several times.
Interesting about the brother at DBPD!
I used to watch the show all the time. But gradually caught on to little things. It’s clearly rigged in the cops favor as opposed to being a nuetral documentary.
In regards to the Lt. brother, being high up, being a “face” of the dept on national tv, the younger brother will not be punished.
I believe you are right about that, Nick!
Unfortunantly, I’ve grown entirely cynical. My idealism died in high school. No agency or person in power gives a damn about their job and the CITIZENS they’re supposed to serve. Are there good cops? Of course. BUT the WHOLE system is rigged against honest citizens. Why not attack gang bangers, drug dealers, sex trafficers, human smugglers, or the cartels who are behind and running all of the above? But no, they STEAL some guys gun. That’s right, that “servant of the people” stole that CITIZENS firearm. If I did that, I’d get a minimum 5 year prison sentence… But the… Read more »
The whole good cop/bad cop question can be disposed of much more decisively. We need not enumerate what proportion of cops appears to be good or listen to someone’s anecdote about his Uncle Charlie, an allegedly good cop. We need only consider the following: (1) a cop’s job is to enforce the laws, all of them; (2) many of the laws are manifestly unjust, and some are even cruel and wicked; (3) therefore every cop has agreed to act as an enforcer for laws that are manifestly unjust or even cruel and wicked. Therefore there are no good cops. ~Dr.… Read more »
They do have the choice of not enforcing unconstitutional laws.
Grigori, I sure like he way you think…..
“The fact that they didn’t know the law was shocking.” It’s only shocking to someone who hasn’t been paying attention at all over the past several decades. There are thousands and thousands of videos online of government thugs violating rights and stating either completely made up or misunderstood “laws”. They can’t even understand or honor the oath they took. If they could they wouldn’t be enforcing ANY arms law. It takes longer to get certified to cut hair than it does to become a government enforcer and they aren’t taught the law. Isn’t it funny that ignorance of the law… Read more »
Correct on all points.
cop needs to spend some time in jail for wrongful attack by an armed person there is a law title 18 241 and 242 that make what he did a crime
He needs to be sent back to Shirley Temple School.
went to karen school of bloomberg
No, the cop need to be taught about the laws and proper actions. Anyone could make a mistake especially nowadays when cops are taught that their main objective is to clock out and go home after their shift.
Taught about the laws PRIOR to receiving his badge and duty pistol.
If you or I or anyone else took that mans firearms we’d be charged with theft of a firearm, and spend five years in the pen.
Police should be held to the same, if not higher standard as we mere peaseants. After all, if a cop is murdered, the suspect gets a more severe charge and sentence(if court is NOT woke) if found guilty than he would if he murdered a mere peaseant like me or us.
Crump, you have no attribute for the quote referencing “the killing of George Floyd”. A simple reading of the autopsy report reveals that Floyd died of a drug overdose while in police custody.
Yes, that fact got my attention too.
Being a police officer doesn’t make one a lawyer or a firearms expert and any officer with half a brain should realize this. When confronted with a situation wherein the officer is not an expert there is this great new invention called a cellphone or the good old two way radio which a smart officer uses to call someone who does know. Sad to say, the lack training is so obvious that one loses trust in our police agencies,! One must know what they don’t know!!
Cops can’t be exected to know the law like a lawyer would I agree. But being that they carry guns-a pistol on the hip, and an AR15 in their squad, AND HAVE A LISCENSE TO KILL they MUST be both proficient with their duty firearms and have a good general knowledge of all types of guns. AND KNOW BASIC FIREARM LAW! In Minnesota, if I just GIVE a gun to a friend, both of us go to prison, automatically, thanks Tampon Tim. If I don’t know gun laws, I go to prison. If COPS DON’T KNOW GUN LAWS AND BREAK… Read more »
I’m surprised the traffic stop didn’t escalate into guns being drawn when LE found the weapon. It also appears when LEO approached the bystanders at 6:22 with the weapon, he had his finger on the trigger. It should be a clear lawsuit that LE were wrong with video evidence.
For once I agree with you left wokester.
Thanks for your failure to stay on topic concerning our 2A right. FYI, here’s what your wanna-be master said about people who use the term woke.
“I don’t like the term ‘woke,” Trump told an Iowa audience, “because I hear the term ‘woke woke woke’ — it’s just a term they use, half the people can’t define it, they don’t know what it is.”
You can’t be nice, not even once?
It was a test AND YOU FAILED!
Accountability for the LEO’s for basic common sense laws. This isn’t rocket science.
If I give a gun to a friend, in the land of Tampon Tim, that friend and I would both be sent to prison.
Why must I know the law, when cops don’t?
Cops that are triggered by the sight of a gun are mostly likely libtards that do not understand anything about freedom in America or our constitution . Tyrants with a badge !
Cops break the laws and have more accidental discharges than concealed carry permit holders.
I wouldn’t say most are “libtards”, more generally they’re NOT gun guys and aren’t tested on their gun law, and general firearms knowlege.
We had a cop here shoot himself in the hand while testing his laser sight . I think he should be promoted to firearms instructor .
We had a leo test his laser against a cinder block wall at the indoor range and got peppered with rock shrapnel.
Granted he’s no cop but I read that the head of NRA’s Whittington Center shot his finger off recently.
System pigs do more harm than good.
Looks as though someone sabotaged your comment where it can only be downvoted, not upvoted.
The problem has been fixed! Thank You, AmmoLand!
There were two autopsies that proved George Floyd died of an overdose,
resulting from trying to hide drug evidence. Floyd died as he was being taken into custody, he was not killed. Officer Chauvin is in prison only because he followed a protocol probably designed by the local Marxocrat government…
and it “looked” like it could embarrass the local Marxocrats. Officer Chauvin
is in prison to serve a narrative.
He followed Minneapolis police code to a T! AND GOT SHANKED NEARLY TO DEATH IN PRISON!
I hate to say it, but this seems to be the typical mind set of cops now days. They seem to think they have unlimited authority over anyone!
They’re often scared to death of guns. And often have power trips with anyone besides… oh gang bangers, drug dealers, sex trafficers, the cartels… People who deserve a beating with a billy club during their arrest, or a bullet so some woke DA and judge doesn’t let him go the next morning
They do. They are a special class all by themselves. They ENFORCE the edicts of psychopathic control freak parasites. They stand between us and freedom in many respects. NO LAW should exist for anything that has no victim.
I believe that the goal of this show is to form a better respect for the LEOs. I watch this show and find a bunch of over bearing gun happy cops spoil the objective of better relationship with the citizens of their community. This could be a great tool if it weren’t ruined by a few gung-ho cops.
(BTW) molan labe, 2 A and shtf .bug out FBI snoops.
Typical Low IQ hires. I refuse to call these cucks “law enforcement.”
Go ahead and lick the boot. you know you want to.
His big brother is LT. Richie Marr, of the DBPD. He’s a regular on the show, has been an in studio guest panelist several times and is the “face” of the dept.
Karma will be when the po-po are in trouble, and they want a civilian’s help….those same civilians that the po-po keep trampling on their rights. I wouldn’t blame any civilian in that same situation to say “no, sorry, I’m not allowed to help you. But I WILL record the event for your widow”. THAT would be karma.
I hate to say it, but, I don’t think I’d help. Besides even if the cop or cops in trouble are good guys, the woke courts will send you to the slammer with glee.
This is a much larger issue than a local LEO doesn’t know crap about the laws of possession. Just because you cannot buy something does not mean you cannot possess something unless the law states that limitations!! The Panel DID NOT KNOW THAT EITHER and that is MOST SHOCKING to me. What if the young MAN (old enough to die for his country, he/she should be old enough to own a firearm since he/she is an adult) decided to stand his ground? Would the officer try to beat him to death because he is now angry the man told him… Read more »
Cops rarely know anything about guns let alone gun laws.
They rarely know anything about any laws. Their there to prove who owns the muscle and might. And they might pull you over to the side of the shoulder because they cannot see your license plate light. Ain’t it a frightening feeling when you’re behind the wheel and you see him there? Or when your rounding a corner and he’s right there behind you in your rear view mirror? Is a he a foe or a friend or a public defender like we see on our TV screen or just a maniac with power gaining strength every hour a threat… Read more »
Yeah it is scary.
To Mr. Crump,
Floyd was not “killed”. Floyd died. Get your facts right.
Yes, it is legal for a 20-year-old to own a firearm in Florida, but he may not carry it until he is 21, and he may not transport it in a vehicle unless it is secured in a case or compartment. It was not. The cop is correct.
I appreciate your comment.. I don’t know Florida law… I don’t live there, but I’m going to look at your comment…Well done, if you are correct. Most Ammoland commentors are smarter than the few that comment here as trolls.. (not naming names)
We all live and die by the rules. (even if they are illegal)
I moved to Florida last year. Them’s the rules, and adults under 21 will be expected to obey them until the state is forced to recognize their rights.
Which should be fast and without question. After all courts have already ruled that 18-20 year olds are adults with full rights and privileges afforded any adult.
No “we” don’t live and die by the rules. At least I DON’T.
I ran this through ChatGPT 4.0 and here is the question and the summary answer: “In Florida, can a 20 year old legally display a pistol, that he legally acquired by methods other than purchase through an FFL holder, in his car?” “A 20-year-old in Florida can legally possess a pistol and keep it in their car if it is securely encased or not readily accessible. However, care must be taken not to display it in a manner that could be considered threatening or illegal.” Any comments on the “threatening or illegal” aspect of carrying open in a car in… Read more »
I am awaiting approval for a comment. It might be because I mentioned and arktificial intelligencs source; I don’t know.
HLB
Well, 8 hours and no approval. I will try again:
A 20-year-old in Florida can legally possess a pistol and keep it in their car if it is securely encased or not readily accessible. I have not read it, but supposedly Florida Statutes § 790.25(5) talks about the requirement that when carrying a firearm in a vehicle, it must be “securely encased” or otherwise not readily accessible for immediate use…
HLB
Isn’t “in the back of the vehicl”e mean “not readily accessable”?
Well, I do not relish reading legal documents, but here she goes… (5) POSSESSION IN PRIVATE CONVEYANCE.—Notwithstanding subsection (2), it is lawful and is not a violation of s. 790.01 for a person 18 years of age or older to possess a concealed firearm or other weapon for self-defense or other lawful purpose within the interior of a private conveyance, without a license, if the firearm or other weapon is securely encased or is otherwise not readily accessible for immediate use. Nothing herein contained prohibits the carrying of a legal firearm other than a handgun anywhere in a private conveyance when such firearm… Read more »
Thanks for posting the actual law.
It still seems to me, if he and his father are in the front, and the gun’s in the back of the vehicle, then it’s not readily accessible. Especially if, as you mention, it’s unloaded, that’s all the more in the young man’s favor come court time.
P.S. I am a worm-ologist. I grew up on the film ‘Tremors’ (1990). My old man introduced me to the “worm show”!
Based on what has been discussed here, then if the officer arrested him based on JUST the ownership age issue, then NO…the officer was still wrong. If he found later about the subsidiary rules re carrying in a case and vehicle transport, and he or a prosecutor added those charges later, then the officer was STILL WRONG in the initial charge, and if that was the basis of any arrest, then all of it might be tossed out in court. From the original statements: “The officer informed the driver it was illegal for him to own a pistol because he… Read more »
I dont know whether the driver was arrested at all, because I didnt see the show. But in the provided clips, I never heard the officer say that OWNERSHIP of the pistol was illegal. Mr. Crump misquoted the officer many, many times. The officer said it was illegal for the 20-year-old to “carry” and “have” the pistol, and was obviously referring to “having” it in open view on the back seat. Which is a clear violation of the law. You can openly transport a rifle or shotgun in a vehicle for lawful purposes, but not a handgun. A handgun in… Read more »
“ “having” it in open view on the back seat.”.
Maybe not a violation as per HLB NICK discussion.
HLB
“Readily accessible” has been debated in court, with varying results. The young man can take his chances with that, and maybe win. But my point here is that the police officer did indeed understand the law and is being unfairly smeared in the article and video.
Unless you’re a cop. Then you can carry it. I was one at the age of 20.
Yes, obviously.
1% of all LE should be booted for good. There’s also good % of ignorance in LE. Maybe LE needs to create testing for their workforce?
more like 30%
1% are real bad apples, those who find themselves in numerous internal affairs investigations for bad conduct. This 1% needs to be filtered and fired before they get into IAI as they have no business in the job role. It’s literally about 1 on 100 in every dept are bad apples. 30% may be more like ignorance in their understanding of the laws. I believe most who risk their lives in PD role are there for legit reasons, but 1% is still way too many.
a leo that will not turn bad apples over to state over site is bad, I worked dea and saw how bad many departments were , some were stealing stuff based on forfeit edicts with no adjudication, so unconstitutional not even funny
There’s needs to be some kind of oversight committee not in bed with the dept. This is actually one way the Repubes or Demonrats can change how LE is done in America. But we cannot expect any Poli-TIC to be a big thinker that can solve problems.
They don’t hire smart ones by design. And don’t fully train by design.
I am not sure it’s in the hire process. If you are real good smart person, would you be applying for a PD position?
It depends, it depends, it depends. First, every department has different requirements. The bigger departments in particular are full of DEI, and recruit the dumber candidates, deliberately, and of course have racial/sex quotas. But also, the smaller departments are much the same, particularly in more liberal areas. If you’re in a more conservative area, the hiring process is GENERALLY more fair and honest. Also in the those conservative areas, you again, GENERALLY don’t have cop hating mayors, DA’s, judges, etc. I live in a very woke liberal area, so no, I would not want to be a cop, and get… Read more »
Sounds like a MILLION BENJAMIN $UIT CA$E that the UNKNOWLEDGABLE police SHOULD be PERSONALLY PAYING THE ENTIRE $UIT CA$E!!
Yes. Make the “servant of the people” pay it himself. To hell with qualified immunity.
Then send the “servant of the people” to prison for theft of a firearm.
I hope they correct this on the next episode. I recall the Sgt. was reaching out to a detective who has experience with firearms and law, they made an assumption the driver was a felon because the car was reported stolen. Often the paperwork is delayed and the car shows up stolen when it is not. Sgt. should have phoned his older brother to get the right gun law and ownership info. Both are good men but Sgt. made a mistake. I recall another episode in TX, pickup truck on stolen list, out of state tags, five patrol cars stop… Read more »
A cop should know basic firearm law, or go to prison. Prison would be our sentence if you or I stole a gun.
One of my favorite shows. First off, lets get this out of the way. My opinion is that we should have no infringements on what we can and cannot have. Note previous sentence ended with a period. Now for the part that I am sure I will receive argument on that I feel no one caught. Unless the ATF requirements have changed, the law states that you cannot have a forward grip which it had. Granted the grip was one that is not considered a forward grip in Kommiefornia because it does not point downward. I do realize this was… Read more »
ever read second amendment? there are not any iffs ands or buts, the miller ruling said type of guns useful for a militia
Not something I didn’t know, it’s our government that needs to read it.
Let’s say that is illegal. Is it the cops job to enforce that? He has no duty nor responsibility to enforce the federal law. Nowhere in his city codes nor state laws or statutes does it say he is even supposed to do that.
Here lies the problem where cops think they are to do the bidding of the Feds and The People have been brainwashed into thinking it as well. He was not properly trained and is a product of “no standards” environment.
When I lived in Kommiefornia you could pass a sheriff on the freeway because they had no jurisdiction. Cops could not write tickets for fish and game. Here in orgoneistan all law enforcement enforces fish and game and all roads so it doesn’t matter where you are or where you catch what.
Very confusing.
It is confusing and you shouldn’t have to keep up with it but unfortunately if you don’t they’ll break the law.
It also shouldn’t be confusing to a professional law enforcement officer who has been properly trained.
Even Feds can’t enforce all federal laws. Only Border Patrol can arrest someone for illegal entry into the USA for example.
Standards and training are important.
Unless it’s illegal aliens! Santuary states and cities from ICE!
I haven’t seen the show and don’t want to speak out of turn. I am not a lawyer and don’t play one on TV. Yes, it is sad and improper for the officer to make up a law, and that is putting it quite mildly. Yes, officer training failed on several levels, officer supervision also failed. It goes without saying the department head and city are wrong. I am not a police officer either but have worked in government for well over 30 years, situations like this are what disseminates information in rare cases. It’s sad but true. If this… Read more »
What should have happened is the officer should have asked for a Sergeant to roll on the call. Barring that, the gun owner should have requested one. I know all you cop-haters here think the result would have been the same, but it might not have. As a Field Sergeant I often responded to requests of that nature. I was able to calm things down and advise on the situation. If I didn’t know the answer, was able to find out who did. Officers do make mistakes, what is why Sergeants are out there.
what is why??????? that is why edit it
His big brother is LT. RICHIE MARR of DBPD.
If a cop steals a gun he should be charged the same as you or I. Cops carry guns for a living and have a liscense to kill. The LEAST we SHOULD expect from them is basic firearms knowlege and firearms law knowledge.
I’ve watched OPL some and as time has passed on the show it seems that each department is trying to be the most aggressive against people and they more frequently approach a minor traffic stop with guns drawn and cops screaming contradictory orders which are confusing and endangering if you follow the wrong commands. They also seem to want to slam everybody into the gravel or pavement regardless of infraction. As an old fart (84) I carry all the time and my greatest fear is to be stopped for not using a turn signal when there is nobody on the… Read more »
That’s the BIGGEST issue with modern cops… Rarely are they “gun guys”… which leads to dead cops and dead innocent CITIZENS.
end qualified immunity, burn the bad cops.
I wish Crump hadn’t said the killing of George Floyd. It isn’t even the DEATH of George Floyd during an encounter with police — the death was an hour later in a hospital.
In 1974 I was hired by the city of Hollywood Florida as a police officer. After the academy at the age of 20, I was issued a .38 S&W M10 revolver as my duty weapon even though the rest of the department was carrying .45 Colt automatics. I actually had my fiancé, who was 21 at the time buy me a.45 Colt Combat Commander for $140.00 that I still have to this day. All the other officers on the department had personally purchased their pistols. So I turned in the.38 and carried my .45 for duty. Anyone see the logic… Read more »
But you just answered your own question… “Low IQ dorks”. Therefore they can’t figure it out.
It’s tv, you really expect them to get it right ??
A left wing talk show pundit getting guns and gun laws right? No. But I EXPECT a cop with a liscense to kill to have general firearms knowledge as well as knowing firearms law!
A license to kill? That is one of the most ridiculous comments I’ve heard you say. A cop has no more license to kill than you or I. You think a cop is James Bond? Have you checked your dipstick lately?
How would you characterize a FBI SWAT shooting an old man, who was handicapped and was just a Trump voter who posted an anti Biden post online?
I would characterize him as a stone cold killer. Where did he get this license to kill? In this modern day world, your use of the term license to kill means that someone, anyone has a license to kill? You have been watching too many boneheaded tv and entertainment shows to understand how to use the english language. No one legally has a license to kill-NO One.
Well, let’s start with the fact he hasn’t been brought up on murder charges?
So, to you, that means he had a license to kill? Did you check his back pocket? I really would like to see a cop carrying a license to kill. I see what WB says about you and Get Out, now. Never really learned English right?
All you had to say was that he acted like he had a license to kill or thought he had a license to kill. That would have made sense, then.