Federal Judge Raises Historic Race Riots During Illinois Gun Ban Trial: What if Black Victims Had Weapons?

Hat tip to Greg Bishop of Bishop On Air for his excellent real-time coverage of these proceedings.

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East St. Louis, IL — The federal trial challenging Illinois’ gun and magazine ban took a poignant turn as U.S. District Judge Stephen McGlynn reflected on the tragic history of racial violence, questioning how events like the 1917 East St. Louis race riots and the 1921 Tulsa massacre might have unfolded differently if Black victims had access to the types of firearms now banned under the state’s Protect Illinois Communities Act.

The law, enacted in January 2023, prohibits the sale and possession of over 170 types of semi-automatic firearms and high-capacity magazines. Plaintiffs argue that the law is unconstitutional and violates the Second Amendment, while the state maintains that these weapons are “dangerous and unusual” and not suited for civilian use. Thursday marked the fourth and final day of the bench trial in the Southern District of Illinois federal courtroom.

During closing statements, Judge McGlynn invoked the 1917 East St. Louis race riots, where more than 30 Black individuals were killed, and numerous homes and structures were burned. He urged the courtroom to visit the “sacred sites” in the city, reminding everyone that this location holds a deep connection to America’s history of racial violence. McGlynn shared a photo showing the current courthouse surrounded by charred ruins from the 1917 riots and posed a compelling question: “How would that have been different if the Black victims had such firearms?”

The judge’s reflections extended beyond East St. Louis, touching on the 1921 Tulsa race massacre, where a prosperous Black neighborhood was decimated by white mobs. McGlynn pondered whether access to firearms, like the ones currently banned, could have changed the outcome for those facing violent mobs. He also referenced a recent video showing an international gang in Aurora, Colorado, armed with high-powered rifles, asking, “What if those victims were on their own, hiding, without the ability to defend themselves?”

Plaintiffs’ attorney David Sigale echoed the judge’s sentiments, stating that such historical reflections are a core reason he is passionate about Second Amendment issues. “There’s countless stories of people victimized, whether it’s for race or their gender,” Sigale said outside the courthouse after the proceedings.

The defense closed its case by calling retired Lt. Col. Jason Dempsey as a witness. Dempsey acknowledged that semi-automatic fire is often favored in the military but emphasized that he prefers training and accountability over outright bans on such weapons. Despite his military background, Dempsey admitted he was unfamiliar with the specific technical differences between civilian and military firearms, such as materials and treatments.

Sigale was quick to note that Dempsey’s personal views on training over bans were unlikely to sway Illinois lawmakers, stating, “It was certainly an interesting comment, and I’m sure Judge McGlynn will consider it in the mix.”

The defense argued that semi-automatic rifles, including the now-banned AR-15, are comparable to military firearms and that their regulation is justified. The plaintiffs, however, contend that these firearms are commonly used by civilians for lawful purposes like self-defense and should not be restricted.

Judge McGlynn’s decision is highly anticipated, with both parties given 30 days to submit additional briefs. A ruling, potentially including a permanent injunction, could follow shortly thereafter. This case not only holds significance for Illinois gun laws but could also set a precedent for similar legislation across the country.

As the trial concludes, the courtroom and broader Illinois community are left to reflect on the complex intersection of history, racial violence, and modern-day gun control laws. The judge’s invocation of the 1917 race riots provides a sobering reminder of the historical contexts in which these debates unfold, adding another layer of complexity to the ongoing battle over the Second Amendment and public safety.

Background: Illinois’ Protect Illinois Communities Act

The gun and magazine ban at the center of this trial was enacted following a series of high-profile mass shootings in Illinois and nationwide. The law prohibits the sale and possession of more than 170 types of semi-automatic firearms, as well as magazines with a capacity greater than 10 rounds for rifles and 15 rounds for handguns. Proponents argue that these measures are necessary to reduce gun violence, while opponents claim the law infringes on constitutional rights.

The Seventh Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals initially sided with the state, allowing the law to remain in effect while the case proceeds. Litigants on both sides now await Judge McGlynn’s final ruling, which could have far-reaching consequences.

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Novice.but.learning

A very good read to follow up on U.S. District Judge Stephen McGlynn’s comments on the murderous riots of 100 years ago is “To Trust the People with Arms” by Prof. Robert J Cottrol of Law and History at George Washington University and Prof. Brannon P. Denning of Cumberland Law School at Stamford University. Their book is a deep dive into the US Supreme Court’s treatment of the Second Amendment since the founding of our Republic 240 years ago. They daylight how several States re-interpreted, dismissed, and basically gutted the Second Amendment of the Bill of Rights, as well as… Read more »

hippybiker

You all remember the term “Saturday Night Special,” don’t you!?! It comes from the anti gun term, “N*gger Town Saturday Special!”
once again, the racial history of Gun Control!

Novice.but.learning

Never heard [or read] that rendition of Saturday Special. Was it a Chicago colloquialism?

Tionico

It would appear Plaintiffs missed the boat. they SHOULD have brought in expert witnesses to give factual details showing how different in reality and capability military weapons are when compared with civilian versions that only appear similar.
No military anywhere in the world uses what we must settle for in the US market for semiauto long guns.

Johnathan Galt

We ALREADY know what would have happened. I believe it was Texas where Democrats tried to keep blacks from owning guns so the KKK could ride through and terrorize them at will. Then the Federal courts stepped in, the African Americans armed themselves, and the nonsense stopped.

My 1st grade neighbor understands this, why do our Demunist Americans deny it?

Silver Creek

So the far leftist Illinois politicians think they can get around the 2nd amendment by making irrational and illogical claims that semi auto firearms are unusual and dangerous. Semi autos have been around since the 1890’s. What do they say about that? There were multi firing black powder rifles back in the early 1800′,s. How soon do you think it will be before these same far leftist politicians say that bolt action rifles and lever action rifles are unusual and dangerous.? And they are to be banned from law abiding American citizens? In commie- anada, their dictator said that they… Read more »

Matt in Oklahoma

The judge should educate himself and learn that the Tulsa riots were started by blacks with guns who went into a neighborhood full of white wives and started shooting
I get his point but…..

RF

You were there to see that?

Matt in Oklahoma

Were you there to see it to rebut me?
Anyone can play dumb games. Research it and not on Wikipedia or the easy liberal media way. The catalyst was several of them going into a white neighborhood with a partially loaded revolver and firing into it. The wives called their husbands at work and it all broke loose from there.

RF

Good morning.
Unless you were a percipient witness, you are repeating hearsay. Get Out’s reply to you at least included a number of source references, any number of which refute your claim better than you make it. I doubt the Oklahoma Historical Society falls into the category of “liberal media”, but I realize your mileage may vary.
Thanks, stay well.
RF

Matt in Oklahoma

They are definitely liberal. I’m not afraid of the truth. I’m not defending anyone nor attacking anyone. It doesn’t justify nor show guilt of any party. Until just a few years ago there was plenty of information on it however the purge, like many other subjects, has happened. It’s just another historical rewrite. I also don’t need to provide anyone resources that they themselves can quit being lazy and find all on their own without hand holding.

RF

Good morning again.
Ignoring all the faulty syllogisms in your logic, I’ll give you the last word.
Thanks, stay well.
RF

JoeyD

How are we supposed to find it if it has been purged?
Being lazy is amking a claim without backing it up, not doing one’s research for them is empowering them.

Get Out

The info is sketchy.

In much of the country, the years following World War I saw a spike in racial tensions, including the resurgence of the white supremacist group the Ku Klux Klan, numerous lynchings and other acts of racially motivated violence, as well as efforts by African Americans to prevent such attacks on their communities.
Tulsa Race Massacre ‑ Facts, Photos, Coverup | HISTORY

Tulsa race massacre of 1921 | History, Commission, Deaths, Facts, & Books | Britannica

Tulsa Race Massacre | Oklahoma Historical Society (okhistory.org)

Get Out

Interesting read concerning the Tulsa massacre.
A Long-Lost Manuscript Contains a Searing Eyewitness Account of the Tulsa Race Massacre of 1921
A Long-Lost Manuscript Contains a Searing Eyewitness Account of the Tulsa Race Massacre of 1921 | Smithsonian (smithsonianmag.com)
Survivors Of 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre Share Eyewitness Accounts.
Tulsa Race Massacre Survivors Testify In Reparations Pursuit : NPR

RF

Good morning.
Well done sir, or madam, if my first take is wrong. I gave both your posts a “thumbs up” for citing to reliable information.
Thanks, stay well.
RF

Novice.but.learning

Lotsa cr#p on the internet, and in the verbal spins on ugly history. Kudos ‘Get Out’ for finding and sharing above links. Dunno that reparations, per se are warranted given the multiple generations that have past, and the broader efforts of atonement from 7 decades of affirmative action and now the DEI construct. My GG grandpas fought in the Union Army to end slavery. Their families suffered consequences too. Reparations for descendants of the ‘Boys in Blue’? We need to look forward rather than over 100 years past.

Novice.but.learning

It’s as though the American CIVILWAR was [AND still IS] being fought.