With comments by Mark Smith of Four Boxes Diner Youtube.
In a recent case out of Hawaii, a U.S. District Court has upheld a federal gun ban, denying a motion to dismiss the indictment of Christopher Chan, who was charged with unlawfully possessing a machine gun and a short-barreled rifle. Judge Derek Watson, appointed by President Obama, ruled that these types of firearms are not protected under the Second Amendment. While the court’s decision isn’t surprising, given the political landscape in Hawaii, it raises critical issues about how the Second Amendment is being interpreted today.
The Case: U.S. v. Christopher Chan
The case stems from an incident where Christopher Chan was found in possession of a short-barreled rifle and a machine gun. These are firearms that, under the National Firearms Act (NFA), must be registered, and in this case, they weren’t. Chan’s legal team argued that the charges violated his Second Amendment rights, asserting that these firearms are “arms” protected by the Constitution. They also challenged the Commerce Clause, arguing that Congress didn’t have the authority to regulate the possession of these firearms.
However, Judge Watson’s decision struck down both arguments, claiming that neither the short-barreled rifle nor the machine gun falls within the scope of the Second Amendment’s protection. This ruling is significant because it highlights the ongoing tension between federal gun laws and the constitutional right to bear arms.
Breaking Down the Second Amendment Argument
At the heart of this case is the question: Are machine guns and short-barreled rifles protected by the Second Amendment?
According to Judge Watson, they are not. His reasoning hinges on the idea that these types of firearms are “dangerous and unusual” and not “in common use” for lawful purposes like self-defense.
This logic is shaky. As pro-gun advocates, we know that the Second Amendment is clear about the right to bear arms—period. The Supreme Court has previously defined “arms” as any weapon that can be used for offense or defense. So how does a machine gun or a short-barreled rifle not fit that definition? These firearms are undeniably capable of being used for defense, just like a handgun or a shotgun. But the court claims that because they aren’t commonly used for self-defense, they don’t count as protected “arms.”
The real problem here is that the judge is conflating two different parts of the legal test. After acknowledging that the Second Amendment applies to “arms,” he should have shifted the burden to the government to prove that these firearms can be banned based on historical tradition. Instead, he flipped the script and put the burden on Chan to prove these firearms are in common use. This is a clear misapplication of legal principles set forth by Supreme Court cases like Heller and Bruen.
The Commerce Clause Angle
Chan’s team also tried to argue that Congress overstepped its authority under the Commerce Clause by regulating the possession of machine guns. However, Judge Watson shot down this argument as well, citing binding precedent from the Ninth Circuit. Essentially, the court ruled that because prior cases have upheld the federal regulation of machine guns, Chan’s argument didn’t hold water.
While the Commerce Clause has been used to justify all sorts of federal overreach, this case reminds us that the fight for Second Amendment rights often involves pushing back against decades of judicial decisions that have strayed far from the Constitution.
What’s Next?
This ruling is far from the end of the road for Second Amendment advocates. Cases like this one could very well end up before the Supreme Court, where the justices will have the final say on how far the government can restrict our right to bear arms. Until then, rulings like Judge Watson’s are a reminder that the battle to protect the Second Amendment is ongoing.
In the meantime, we need to stay informed and stay involved. Follow updates on cases like this one, support organizations that fight for our gun rights, and make your voice heard in the political arena. The Second Amendment is a fundamental part of American freedom, and it’s up to us to defend it.
U.S. v. Christopher Chan ~ ORDER DENYING MOTION TO DISMISS UNDER THE SECOND AMENDMENT OR THE COMMERCE CLAUS…
Caetano established common use at 200,000. Both machine guns and SBR’s are owned in excess of that number, thus are in common use, and not “dangerous and unusual”. The judge is unqualified and wrong.
The legal system cannot be trusted to give the right time of day, why should we trust it to get anything else right?
Wow, someone down voted that. Either you have people that love you like me or the left is in full force on the board.
you think they can tell time ,or read? you give them more credit than they deserve
There are reprints of old gun catalogs that show trapper lever action rifles with 12″, 13″, 14″, 15″, barrels These were in common use up untill 1934 So how can this far leftist judge say they weren’t in use? Just because he hasn’t seen one? These judges are making up their own laws like in some communist countries. Can anyone notice the difference between a lever action rifle with a 15″ barrel and a 16″ barrel? Several articles I have read, no one seems to know why short barreled trapper rifles were added to the 1934 gun control act.. Articles… Read more »
Let me introduce you to representative Harold Knutson (MN-R), proof that brain freeze and stupidity from the great State of Minnesota is not just a recent phenomenon. Here is the whole miserable story:
https://www.thecornellreview.org/well-regulated-the-nfa-hearings-2-6-4-16-1934/
Short barreled rifles were never supposed to be on the 1934 gun control act, only short barreled shotguns and machine guns.
Short barrelled rifles and shotguns were added to NFA originally along with pistols, as easily concealable firearms; but pistols were removed before passage.
Not to mention the “coach gun”, a short barrelled scattergun, very handy for repelling two legged threats mounted upon fourlegged transport. Get them coming at you from both sides and in front, trying to rob the coach and passengers, yu need something lethal and quite handy. The Coach Gun was the tool of choice. Sort of went out of mainstream as the motorcar replaced the stagecoach.
Supplanted by the Auto&Burglar Gun.
I said the same thing on another article but referred to pepper spray when they were trying to make you have a license to buy and use it. Either one is an infringement.
that would be the majority of the demoncrat appointed trash
As long as we accept ATF’s redefinition of braced-pistols, SBRs are in the millions.
He doesn’t care and until We the people take shit for brains idiots like him out and try them for treason and make sure they get the proper ending that a conviction demands, we will continue to be dealing with this kind of moronic behavior.
And the battle continues! The costs to the taxpayer continue to accumulate from defending the 2nd Amendment from these IDIOTS has to be significant because I keep contributing to companies that fight the anti gun lobby daily and we win some and lose some! These donations are not for me but they are for my children, grandchildren and beyond! We cannot let the government or other entities, including the one world nuts who are fighting to remove all forms of self-protection around the world for allegedly innocent reasons but in reality we all know it would allow for world wide… Read more »
Again do not spend any money in blue States!
Spend your hard earned Dollars in Red States.
If you want an Island Vacation go to the Florida Keys.
these prog judges sometimes have a hard time distinguishing between law and feelings, following scotus rulings and the precedent set down by them, and the clear wording of the Second Amendment. seems like comprehension is not their strong suit and that they assume their feelings strangely become law.
I think you could add that they feel they are the law in addition to that laws are supposed to grow and change to adapt to an ever changing environment which is their chosen made by them environment.
Oregoneistan
judge dredd syndrome
Progressive. That is the term we all need to be using. Bottom line: Progressives have, for 140 years denied and denigrated the Natural Law basis of our legal system. They are Darwinists across the board and reject the idea of a Divine and All Powerful Creator who bestows rights on his highest creations: us. As such, they have no problem stacking bad decision on top of bad decision and justifying that in the name of Stare Decisis. This poison pill to liberty must be confronted across the board. The best place to confront these issues is in the state legislatures… Read more »
There is no such thing as a “Progressive.” But there are Communists that hide as under the description of progressive. And unless we destroy them all because they are traitors, we will never live free and government tyranny will rule.
they are not even darwinists as that would be survival of fittest , so fast draw would be a integral part of society
No, the best place to confront these issues, is where it hurts them the most, in their wallet! And the way to do that, is to disable the totally corrupted legal system by exposing its crimes against Humanity!
The weapon known as the ‘blunderbuss’ was a short barrel, short stock personal arm that was very common in Colonial times. These evolved into modern short firearms we use today. The ‘short’ description should never have been made illegal in the first place.
blunderbuss and buggy gun both about 30″ overall fit under seat of of single horse buggy only good for close range defense + anything was used as shot – very short range I have both in late incarnation as they use percussion caps, the advent of cartridges was the end of blunderbuss, real replacement was the street sweeper gang control
Search the following article for Knutson:
https://www.thecornellreview.org/well-regulated-the-nfa-hearings-2-6-4-16-1934/
I seem to recall that in Miller the Court favored the state’s argument that a short barreled shotgun wasn’t protected by the 2A because it had no martial application, undoubtedly Judge Watson doesn’t think the army uses machine guns.
I seem to recall in Miller that Miller did not show up for court, so his testimony was never heard.
They’re not in common use because they were deemed illegal, so people don’t have them for self-defense. The law it’s Selfe created the illegality of them. Were it not for the NFA they would most likely be in common use for self-defense.
Look st the booming popularity of braced “pistols”.
The Shockwave 14″ barrel 12 gauge style firearms got around the rules somehow and shows what a joke the law is. Completely OK as long as you keep the bird’s head handle on it, but if you attach a pistol grip, you go to prison?
Sort of like a handgun.
Put a shoulder stock on a handgun, then suddenly it it classified as a short barreled rifles.
But take off the shoulder stock and it’s a handgun. Huh?
Handguns with shoulder stocks were popular until the illegal 1934 gun control act.
The politicians said this illegal law would stop bootleggers and bank robbers. Did it? Of course not.
What stopped the bootleggers and bank robbers is that they either got arrested or were killed by police.
Make short barreled trapper rifles and handguns with shoulder stocks legal again.
I have a colt with a shoulder stock ,and a desert eagle 14 inch barrel with a “support” so it is all crap treasury was used to get around illegality of the edict
Somehow, I don’t think you need a reminder. I know there are plenty of people out there that do.
street sweeper is a riot gun so should also be common bet a lot of store owners would like one
I’ll take mine semi auto with a mag of 25 rounds please.
There are some shotguns that take detachable magazine and some 3-gun competitors have damn big magazines. And a number of 12 Ga. with 18.5″ barrels that hold 7+1 which are easy to top off after a few shots.
the last version of the street sweeper could be select fire …talk about a crowd stopper , man portable and stopping power..alternate slugs and buckshot
Virrent iterations of the Atchisson or AA-12 are open-bolt, fully automatic, with almost no recoil. Vodro shows them being fired gull auto with one hand.
I have a Tri-Star. I bought it as soon as they said if measure 114 passes, it will become illegal to own and I bought it for that reason. It’s the only shotgun I have. The law passed but it is being held because a smart judge found it unconstitutional. I find it unconstitutional because the people in Oregoneistan were allowed to vote on my second amendment right which they shouldn’t have been able to do but because Oregoneistan has in it’s own constitution that says if the people don’t like something, they have a right to vote on it… Read more »
Which model? The Compact? The KRX? I was talking to a rep from IWI yesterday. Their Tavor-TS12 has 3 mag tubes so you can carry your slug, buck, and something else to be autoloaded after your next shot. Just rotate the tubes. 12 – 15 round capacity, depending how you load it.
Almost went there but you have to use mini shells to get the maximum out of it but that was my second choice. I went with the KRX. If you go with that one, make sure you use the shell that has the longer brass in the back. The short ones jam. I found Federal and Remington premium rounds work good but if you can find something you like, like 00 buck in a rounded end not folded, it will work flawlessly in my experience. Another thing to pay attention to which I didn’t know and I learned when I… Read more »
The IWI holds 12 x 3″ or 15 x 2-3/4. Not my style but interesting. Since they are not detachable but 3 independent 5 round tubular magazines I wonder if they get around some State’s magazine restrictions.
The KRX is pretty cool, nice familiar controls. I’ve never shouldered one but will keep my eye out at the next NRAAM or GOALS.
It has a nice thick rubber pad that is very cushiony. I forgot all about the controls. That was the first thing that drew me to it but it doesn’t break down like an AR at all but it is quick and easy. Pull down one little black piece and slide the barrel off. Then unscrew the parts off the barrel and you are there, bolt will fall out. The hardest part is putting it back together for me with keeping the bolt back and putting in the barrel but you can’t put it together wrong. Granted I have only… Read more »
with all the pipe cleansers I have used you would think i had a collection of pipes, but like you said great for cleaning gas tubes and ports
carburetor cleaner too
I haven’t used that on my guns for fear it might mess up the finish but I use it on my reloading dies and it works great to clean and dissolve any lube.
does not hurt ss ,and have never had a problem with parkerizing but it will eat paint and some plastics , does not harm chrome most of what I have are wood and steal , I have mattel stuff but not my preferred
OH, i messed up. You said carburetor cleaner. I use break cleaner. I think it is CRC. One will eat plastic and rubber and the other won’t. It tells you on the label.
most “safe” break cleaners are chloride can mess up chrome
carb cleaner is oil based solvents
and yes i use solvent traps as most cleaners will trash the finish on the wood, and a bedded barrel gun you are not taking it apart unless you have NO choice
I have a ts12 it is great ,for clays put in over full choke ,modified for every day mix slugs and buckshot, have seen a trigger group that is select fire it pushes straight back no climb to speak of …not cheep but the sweet sixteen was around 300 in 1965
I do not know anything about shotguns except for what I have but I do know enough that if you bought it for 300 back then, you could probably sell it for more now.
sweet sisteen in great shape is around 1,700 now
Do you use a modified choke shooting slugs? I did not think those were compatible. I’ve probably shot 100k clay targets but never slugs. Skeet chokes are only 4 to 10 thou, just a hair more than cylinder. Trap a bit tighter, even more shooting handicap. Sporting clay shooters spend more time changing chokes than doing anything else. Some things to be said in favor of a rifled barrel and smooth sided or sabot slugs vs. a smooth barrel and rifled slugs (in a traditional pump or semi-automatic). I’ve got other options for most things beyond 30 yards or so.
you can shoot rifled slugs through a modified choke …that said you need to be sure the choke is what it says it is bigger ok undersized nooooo.. have seen a slug pealed like an apple by a wrong sized choke
Here’s a site that talks about shooting slugs and what chole works best.
Choosing the Best Choke for Slugs: Guide for Accurate Shotgun Shooting (fusionfirearms.com)
Yep, pretty much my understanding. Cylinder is preferred for rifled slugs, maybe improved. @swmft seems to like modified. Hey, if it works for him… I saw a beautiful 20 Ga. rifled barrel for a Remington 1100 on ebay last night but there was only 15 minutes left on the auction and the seller did not know if it was for a large or small frame. I thought lustily on it for about 12 minutes before passing on a $200+ gamble. Only a small regret.
more a trade off than preferred, keeping the buckshot reasonably tight and still able to shoot slugs…can also load birdshot and get a reasonable pattern …cylinder or improved lets shot open up too fast it is a trade off
A patterning board confirms that notion. Hopefully you have patterned your ammo and you know what the spread is for various brands and shot sizes. If not, I strongly recommend it. Which reminds me to do so with some new ammo I picked up.
What would make your Tri-Star illegal? Not familiar with your particular model – barrel length, capacity or semi-auto spring to mind but given idiocy of common-nonsense anti-rights laws – anything is possible.
Semi auto first, magazine capable not size second. If you had a pump with a mag, the mag would have to be welded into the gun.
I’m saying that some of the more extreme blue States, from HI to CA to IL to NJ to DC, have laws that, I think, restrict shotguns with detachable magazines and possibly magazine size. Except for IL, I’m unlikely to visit any one of these States with a shotgun and do not know the details of their laws. I’m just suggesting that the the Tri-Star is probably illegal in some of them and that the IWI might possibly work around that limitation until the law(s) get overturned. That’s all.
Selling my Apple stock shares and investing in rope for 2025.
have lots of friends and clients with yachts, rope is not a problem they change dock lines and hurricane rig’s every few years
Go back and read it again. The court said “absent any evidence.” They knew damn well that short barreled shotguns had been used in American wars since before there was an America. But no one had presented evidence to that fact during the trial. Miller’s attorney didn’t show up because he hadn’t been paid. There was no way the FedGov was going to present evidence against their own case. The court rules based on the Constitution, the law, and the evidence presented in court. So “absent any evidence” is the way it went down. Worst damn SCOTUS ruling since Dred… Read more »
court was violating their oath without saying the words , the main part of the statement should be revisited and upheld ,and the correction that would make 1934 ,and 1968,and 1986 gca’s null and void
I wonder what they would call a blunder bust today? Would it be one of those illegal cannon’s that uncle joe says we can’t have?
Given dearth of evidence, they ruled only way they could. “Absent any evidence” serves only to water down the ruling as it is an explicit statement that ruling is tentative and should not be used as precedent.
Fortunately these days a similar case would be inundated by amicus-briefs – so that court would have evidence to spare. Risk of a repeat is small as long as we fund our friendly civil rights groups (SAF, GOA, etc.)
We used Remington 870 shotguns with an extended tube. They were replaced with M1014 Benelli semi-auto shotgun.
Combat Shotguns Of The Vietnam War | An Official Journal Of The NRA (americanrifleman.org)
you need to try a tavor 12 three tubes ovf five one in chamber to start load as you go…have used it for clays the cats meow
if you get the chance try one interchangeable choke tubes for clays I use an over full choke , at home have modifyed installed so i can stack slugs and buckshot
I have a sweet 16 that I started with was a givt 1965 ish dont use it as much now but the right gun and wow much better than my Remington pump
Midway has 10 round extension tubes for the 12 ga. 870 and other models, probably be able to load 10+1.
if they get there way with measure 114, they will be illegal. You will not be able to have over 5 rounds and I think that includes one in the chamber.
I’d get one and keep it in the toolbox until needed.
Done!!!!!
Nice, I’m looking for a tube for the 16 ga., no joy so far.
The only ones I ever saw were carried by a defense team of elves guarding a train of pack-unicorns carrying loads of unobtainium ore.
Check the ID and OD of the current tube. If the ID size is common or a little under, a machinist friend might be able to fix you up with an extension. Find a longer spring (maybe 20 Ga.) and you will be in business
thanks, may have to go that route, I also wonder if a 12 ga. adapter can be used with a modification.
That’s an interesting and better idea. Maximum rim diameter of a 12 Ga. is 0.886″, 16 Ga. is 0.819″. A difference of only 0.067″ or a hair more than 2 credit cards in thickness. I imagine you would need a custom made reducing coupler; that would be the easiest if you are friends with a moderately skilled machinist but you would need a custom coupler anyway. A spare tube cap, if you can find one, might help. That would leave the spring as the biggest challenge. If the extended 12 Ga. spring is too large a diameter, a wood plug… Read more »
Thanks for the info.
I kept a Benelli in the trunk of my shop, early on in my career; but I meber really liked it. Then again, I don’t much care for shotguns in general.
I picked up a Pedersoli Howda Deluxe over the summer, and it’s a really neat, really pretty throwback to the short shotguns of that era. But a word of advice- do NOT leave the invoice receipt in the printer tray where your wife can find it. Ida rather she caught me with my girlfriends, 20 yo identical-twin princesses.
Any & every firearm the military uses are protected under the second ammendment. I’ve come to the conclusion that politicians don’t know how to use a dictionary. Because not one of them knows the definition of the word “Infringed”.
they dont know male from female
This judge is wrong
He is using his own far leftist logic to have gun control.
Prior to the illegal 1934 gun control act, Trapper lever action rifles were popular. They had barrel lengths of 12″, 13″, 14″, 15″, Many rifles today have the 16″ barrels.
What the difference between a 15″ barrel and a 16″ barrel?
Does this judge think gang bangers are driving around in cars with lever action rifles?
Most people use handguns for home protection
But you can use s rifle too. Several articles on bear attacks on homes have people using a rifle for protection
There are a lot of things wrong with this ruling. Just remeber that there is no excuse for a wrong ruling. Just because they make a wrong ruling does not make it right. It is still wrong. That extends to the ultimate power of the Supreme Court of the United States. We are the final arbiters of this mess.
HLB
A judge’s job is NOT to preserve the status quo.
We never should have stopped tarring and feathering government agents.
The 2nd doesn’t list acceptable “types” of arms, it just says “arms” – which makes it all-inclusive. How many more overly-timid Supreme Court rulings is it gonna take before they finally get it right???
“According to Judge Watson, they are not. His reasoning hinges on the idea that these types of firearms are “dangerous and unusual” and not “in common use” for lawful purposes like self-defense.” Yeah, and somehow by registering them and paying a $200 TAX on them, POOOOOFFFFF they are no longer “dangerous and unusual”. Idiots like this judge are dangerous and unusual. How many people who have “lawfully registered’ machine guns have been using them for offense? That have been shooting up malls and schools with them. This judge can really piss a person off. Any weapon that a MILITIA member… Read more »
of COURSE these guns are not in common use… WHY? Because Congress overstepped their boundaries and have made them very difficult to obtain, and costly when one DOES manage to obtain one. Were it no for the high cost and severe limitations unlawfully imposed by Congress on their possession and use I would likely have some.
His reasoning hinges on the idea that these types of firearms are “dangerous and unusual” and not “in common use” for lawful purposes like self-defense.
How is a short barreled rifle more dangerous? Given the decrease in accuracy, it could be argued that a short barreled rifle is actually less dangerous than a standard length barrel.
What does this decision mean for the Second Amendment? Not much. It means you eon’t catch me in Ha-wah-ee.
Neither Miller nor his defense team could afford to be present when the case was heard by SCOTUS. The government could have claimed that no firearms were suitable for use by the military with no counter argument other than from the justices. At the time of the hearing three of the justices had been appointed by FDR and a fourth before the decision was rendered. It was written by Justice McReynolds, nominated by Woodrow Wilson in 1914. The decision had broad findings despite it being an “as applied” ruling for the crime of transporting an unregistered SBS across state lines.
the interesting thing about miller if they had not been crossing state lines would have been illegal, only weapons sold or transported across state lines had to be registered
Judge Infringer infringing
What it means is that Dianne Frankenstein isn’t gone quite yet.
If you want to actually curb “gun violence” simply an act a law punishable by prison sentence minimum three years, anyone registered as a Democrat cannot own a gun.
Wow, so you’re saying you don’t support the 2nd Amendment as it applies to us not your political position, does that go for the US Constitution and BoR too?
Why do all the Vietnam movies show them packing SBR shotguns?
Gotta hit the shower and take off. It was the Japanese American War!! Don’t forget my favorite that Washington crossed the Delaware to kill the Indians. That ones golden.
wonder what they were told about the European theater of the war ,and if they were told National Socialist German Workers’ Party, and Stalin’s socialist communist (terror party)
state controlled thugs ,it is funny they now praise stalin for fighting on “our side” russia was never on our side the Germans turned on him he was fighting for his life
We know that but they don’t. When I asked her if she knew who George Washington was, rather than say our first president her response was “I know who all the slave owners were”.
Our educations system sucks. I hear now in order to graduate, they have to be proficient in Spanish.
in military school russian was what we were taught ,remember very little, spanish is Italian and Portuguese mixed learned those growing up ..house on cape cod fishermen and city workers/gangs south side of boston helicopter zone ….whop whop whop also called combat zone all the mob run clubs
OH, Rusky. That would have come in handy in Sacramento Kommiefornia. I tried to learn German as a second and it was being taught by a kommie russian that thought it was more important to teach us about how much America sucked and how much better Russia was. I got in a lot of arguments with that kommie bastard and always made sure to question that if the homeland was so great, what are you doing wasting our time here.
had an economics professor that was from a Tsarist family ..he KNEW micro economics like no one else I ever met great teacher , he did the class in russian and english held “court” at a bar later in the day if you had questions, I dont think he ever paid a tab himself
They better change that language requirement to be trilingual. My mandarin is nonexistent. How’s yours? Ask her what she knows about the Vietnam war. I’d be surprised if she thinks it was more than just Mai Lai and Nixon bombing Hanoi.
I don’t talk to the left side of the family. My wife and her father are the only republicans. None of them was raised to be political and one daughter has always been republican on her own and the other has always been democrap until the second time obummer ran, according to her but I doubt it. Her husband is democrap. I would think if she knew anything about that war it would only be that America was poking it’s nose where it didn’t belong, again because that is what the left thinks. I really don’t know anything about that… Read more »
yes, got fired for pushing the idea, roosevelt was a known socialist ,truman may have been a closet one
It was Patton, at least according to the movie, who wanted to take on Russia as WW-II was closing down. MacArthur was in the Pacific theater and signed the articles of Japanese surrender for the U.S. in a ceremony aboard the USS Missouri. MacArthur was later fired by Truman because of disagreements on how to conduct the Korean war. And there was that little thing about wanting to nuke China and invade with the help of the Taiwan military.
https://www.military.com/history/why-president-truman-fired-most-prestigious-american-general-of-his-time.html
That would have definitely changed history; maybe for the good, maybe not.
We were allies, but only allies of necessity. Neither they nor western Europe could survive without each other and us.
Nope didn’t fly, I rowed the boat ashore. Arms did get tired but the exercise is good because it gives you more strength to hold the AR up for longer periods of time.
cant row with your hands here alligators and crocodiles
and I dont think you can flap fast enough to get the effect of an air boat….:>
Good one, I used an ore. LOL
you were flapping with an ore…wouldnt it be easier to row?
No, I was rowing the boat ashore with an oar, you missed it. Ore is a form of natural rock or sediment.
Gottcha!!! LOL
Do the rifle drill manual and bayonet training manual, that little gun will build up the upper body quick.
We got into WWII because some Japanese gardener attacked Pearl Baily. Don’t you know anything about history?
was a north Korean working for pro slavery faction ,you know how those roof top Koreans are………
Oh, I think I might have read that on a fake news channel at one time. i will have to ask my niece.
“Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?”
Those red dots on the side of the plane made it obvious that it was the Germans didn’t it.
Those sneaky Boches.
was not russians attacking afghani fleet at pearl harbor?
Sure, it was shooting slugs with a rifled barrel.
Someone please tell me what kind of proof there is, that the fake judge there made a correct decision! If the USSC/SCOTUS cannot be trusted to make correct decisions 100% of the time, then who can be trusted? If they cannot be relied upon completely, then why do we have to listen to anything they may say? Does anyone consult some drunk bum or drug addict for financial advice? Why not? Is it because they show the world that they are unable to make good choices in life?
Most of these judges have little or no knowledge of firearms history, or they just don’t give a damn. And anyone standing up for America and the American flag makes these far leftist judges furious. Look at the J,-6 protestors. Some were given prison sentences of 15 to 20 years. Some black gang bangers doing a drive by shooting, if they are ever caught, get a suspended sentence! Repeal the illegal 1934 gun control act now. We no longer have bank robbers and bootleggers riding on the sideboard of cars robbing banks. Today’s bank robber used a computer to rob… Read more »
Ya, better not have a CNC machine in my state. Better watch what materials you have in stock or order on line. Don’t forget, a block of aluminum that doesn’t have a registration number on it from the DOJ is a ghost gun that can get you 10 years and 250 thousand fine.
It’s worse than having a fuel filter.
Oh ya. They have my number for sure. CCW gives them everything you ever wanted to know and they are not afraid to demand because they don’t ask.
have more than one cnc and aluminum goes to a window shop so no worries about supply….window mulls and store front bracing
Smart.
only down side is a 20 or 30′ length of t6 is expensive think 2×5 solid bar aircraft grade t6, glad I bought 4 30 footers before covid paid 437 each now over 1000 each
most of todays criminals are in government and like the mob protect each other ,and want to control us so we dont try them and hang them