If you’re serious about firearms, you’ve probably heard of the Designated Marksman Rifle (DMR). These rifles are a perfect blend between the standard AR-15 and the heavy-duty sniper rifle, giving you the power, range, and accuracy needed to hit targets at longer distances. Whether you’re prepping for uncertain times, want to improve your skills, or need a solid hunting or range rifle, owning a DMR can give you a serious advantage.
Here’s why every well-prepared gun owner should consider owning a DMR and some solid options to check out.
Why Should You Own a DMR?
Extended Range
The AR-15 is great, but once you go beyond 500-600 yards, its 5.56 NATO round starts losing effectiveness. A DMR, usually chambered in bigger calibers like .308 or 6.5 Creedmoor, can hit targets out to 900 yards or more. If you need to reach something far away—whether it’s for defense, hunting, or target shooting—a DMR will do the job.
More Power
DMRs aren’t just about range—they hit harder, too. Calibers like .308 Win and 6.5 Creedmoor pack more punch than 5.56 NATO, giving you better penetration through barriers like walls or vehicles. This makes them more versatile if things ever go sideways or if you need more stopping power in a hunting scenario.
Precision and Accuracy
DMRs are built for precision. With their heavier barrels and better optics, these rifles can keep tighter shot groupings over long distances. Whether you’re competing in long-range shooting or just want to improve your marksmanship, a DMR is a great tool.
Versatility
DMRs can pull double duty. They can be used for hunting, range practice, or as part of your SHTF (Sh*t Hits The Fan) loadout. In an emergency, having the ability to engage targets at long range could make all the difference.
DMRs: Not Just for Combat
Many gun owners might initially think of the DMR as purely a combat or tactical rifle, but its capabilities make it well-suited for other roles as well:
- Hunting: The larger calibers, such as .308 and 6.5 Creedmoor, are ideal for hunting big game, offering both range and stopping power.
- Competition Shooting: Precision rifle shooting is growing in popularity, and a well-built DMR can serve as an excellent platform for engaging steel targets at long distances.
- Preparedness: In a world where self-sufficiency and preparedness are increasingly important, having a DMR as part of your firearm collection ensures you can engage threats or game at extended ranges.
Choose Your DMR
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AR-15
- Caliber: 5.56 NATO / .223 Remington
- Features:
- Direct impingement AR-15 with a free-floating, cold hammer-forged barrel designed for precision and accuracy.
- It can be equipped with an adjustable stock, ambidextrous controls, and an upgraded trigger for better control and accuracy during long-range engagements.
- Compatible with a variety of optics, making it easy to set up as a DMR-style rifle for engaging targets at 600 yards or more.
- Why it’s a good DMR option:
- Though chambered in 5.56, the AR-15 offers great accuracy with a lightweight, modular platform. With the right optic and ammunition, it can perform effectively in a DMR role for those who want a rifle setup with extended-range capabilities.
Springfield Armory M1A
- Caliber: .308 Win/7.62 NATO
- Features:
- Semi-automatic rifle based on the classic M14, with options for shorter barrels in the Scout Squad version.
- Equipped with a precision-tuned trigger for accuracy and a National Match barrel in the Loaded version.
- Excellent reliability and precision for long-range engagements.
- Why it’s a good DMR option:
- The M1A platform has been trusted for years by both military and civilian marksmen. It’s accurate, durable, and chambered in .308, making it effective at extended ranges while maintaining manageable recoil.
Aero Precision M5E1 AR-10
- Caliber: .308 Win/7.62 NATO, also available in 6.5 Creedmoor
- Features:
- An AR-10 pattern rifle built for long-range precision with an M-LOK handguard, 18-20 inch barrel options, and precision-machined components.
- Comes with a free-floating handguard for increased accuracy and compatibility with aftermarket optics and accessories.
- Built with Aero Precision’s reputation for tight manufacturing tolerances, offering excellent accuracy at a lower price point.
- Why it’s a good DMR option:
- The Aero Precision M5E1 offers a great balance between affordability and performance, with customization options for DMR setups. Available in both .308 and 6.5 Creedmoor, it’s versatile for different long-range shooting needs.
FN SCAR 20S
- Caliber: 7.62 NATO/.308 Win
- Features:
- Based on the battle-proven SCAR platform, the SCAR 20S features a 20-inch heavy barrel for superior accuracy at longer ranges.
- Adjustable stock, precision-tuned trigger, and compatibility with top-tier optics for enhanced precision.
- Semi-automatic rifle known for its rugged design and ability to function in various harsh environments.
- Why it’s a good DMR option:
- The SCAR 20S is an excellent choice for those seeking a reliable, military-proven platform with extreme accuracy and long-range capability.
- It’s expensive but built for high performance in tactical and precision roles.
Each of these rifles provides a solid platform for DMR-style shooting, giving gun owners a variety of price points and customization options to fit their needs.
The Designated Marksman Rifle is a valuable addition to any gun owner’s arsenal, especially for those looking to extend their capabilities beyond the standard AR-15. While not suitable for every situation, the DMR excels in long-range engagements, providing greater accuracy, penetration, and versatility. Whether you’re preparing for uncertain times, improving your marksmanship, or adding a powerful hunting rifle to your collection, a DMR is worth considering.
Cure to male depression is owning a DMR pic.twitter.com/T4yqYpVFN2
— Garand Thumb (@GarandThumb1) September 8, 2024
Or could a good bolt action fulfill the role just as well.
Cheaper, and lighter
Ruger American Gen II with at least ac 24x scope and your covered.
This all boils down to, do you need arms for survival (12 gauge with an extra slug barrel and a side arm) or arms for defense/offense, ir a combo.
How’s the action on those? Nice and smooth or sloppy and binding?
Aren’t they all single stack detachable mags too?
Mines good. I’ve heard they can be hit or miss. I’m very pleased with the one I have. Yes, mags are detachable. Trigger is adjustable.
I have one, also. I just love it. Now, I am thinking about the Ruger SFAR. Any thoughts about the SFAR before I make a purchase?
Bill, I have the Ruger SFAR, very pleased with it as all Ruger offerings. I like to turn the 4-position gas block to OFF, running it as a straight-pull bolt action…..no action noise, movement til I want it; no position tell brass in the air just for Biden moments when deer do wear Kevlar, are similarly armed; no hunting brass under stand, or in weeds, leaves. At those times deer mass up, over run my position, I crank gas block to go, mow ’em down…. Rifle is light, handles/humps easily, unlike other large frame AR options, eats all ammo with… Read more »
I think that we are on the same sheet of music! Good review and good suggestion. Many thanks.
I have the POF Rogue. It’s a pound or so lighter than the SFAR and the same weight as the Savage 110 Ultralite with the Proof Research carbon fiber barrel. It shoots <1moa with Hornady 168 A-Max and this 84yo geezer can pack it around all day when the SHTF. I changed the muzzle brake to the bigger POF three port brake so the recoil is milder but the guys on the next bench complain about the concussion. It will hit center of bad guy out to as far as I can see. No glitches of any type with it.
I’m going to look into that. Thank you.
Just got the POF Revolution DI in .308. 18.5″ barrel, weighs <7#. 9 position gas block, putting a Vortex Strike Eagle 3-18X44 on it that I got from Eurooptics which if you submit some form of veteran validation, they give 40% off MSRP on all Vortex products. Got the gun from Bud’s, two day delivery.
They had more problems with those in the beginning than I think any gun in recent history.
Look at forums and videos. Be cautious.
You enemy bastard you! Shooting your fat mouth off behind this web site…
That does not compute.
What caliber? I was looking at their website, I see the 30-06 will only have a 20in barrel, that’s just too short.
I have many rifles from 1873 to the present; Winchester, Remington, Weatherby, Springfield. My Manlicher-Schoenowers might be a little slicker bolt action but not by much. Ruger has their shit together, and Ruger is one tenth the cost.
Did I mention weight? Carries like a wand.
Which Ruger carried like a wand?
Ruger American Ranch in 5.56.
Which carries so well?
Ruger American Ranch.
Which carries like a wand?
Ruger American Ranch.
Good Point I like the Bertta 40 cal as side arm. Little heavy but so is the 1911.
Has the cost of ammo gone up for the .40S&W? It’s losing popularity isn’t it?
You coward! Shooting little animals they can’t shoot back!
Care to clarify?
Ledesma, Gout, AZ LEFTY all the same guy… Or drag queen.
I went with the Ruger American Ranch because I thought it a little handier. It has the “Yote” camo finish and a 1 in 8 twist. So I thought that it would stabilize a little heavier bullet. It did not like the 80 grain, but does like the 77 grain bullet. I’m using a necker die for reloading and 24 grains of CFE 223. It also likes the 6-18 Leopold. It is like they were made for each other. Range results: it right there at 100 meters and I am awaiting the custom turret the Leopold makes for you for… Read more »
True. And assuming it’s for a shit hits the fan scenario like they say, a bolt action’s going to be much easier to care for than any auto loader. Especially a bolt action that’s stainless/synthetic.
Bolt gun just as good? If the deer are over running your position….not so much.
A DMR isn’t a close quarters weapon by design.
Bit I assume, that if necessary, it could act as one. M14 saw some close quarter stuff in the early days of the Nam.
Well any gun is better than no gun in a pinch. But a DMR would not be the first rifle I’d pick for fighting under 100yards certainly.
True the M14 did, and it was a total failure at it, because you’re talking a massive, 10 or 11 pound club, shooting semi auto at targets you can’t see, most within spitting distance armed with AK47’s.
Hence the M16 and 5.56.
You know nothing about “the Nam” schoolboy! And sucker you know it!
And you said you saw an NVA infantry officer get gut shot with an M16 and the next week saw him driving a truck?
In what army to infantry officers drive trucks?
How does anyone who’s gut shot, get up and get back at it, within a week?
Why didn’t you take this officer prisoner?
Why didn’t he get shot when you saw him drive a truck the next week?
By the way, how did you know it was him? You got eagle eyes, or maybe some massive binoculars?
I went in service too late for Vietnam, but those orientals do look an awful lot alike. Maybe that is just me. Second, when I was a young Lt. I was in a combat engineer company and they did not have enough jeeps to assign one to each officer. So I was assigned a five ton dump truck. Kind of a joke on the new kid, I think. They also did not have enough .45s to go around, so I was assigned an M 16 with a M203 attached. Another little joke, I think. I used to keep my paperwork… Read more »
OK dip wad. I spent a year incountry as a FO with Fox/2/1. Have purple heart plates on my car. What is your level of expertise, besides playing Call of Duty in your parent’s basement?
Thank you for your service.
A bolt action rifle can certainly fill some of the roles of a DMR — it does as well (sometimes better) as an extended range gun, it does as well for “hitting harder” (depending on caliber chosen). But the DMR is also fully capable in the regular service rifle role, where the bolt gun typically fails. Very few bolt action rifles have the magazine capacity of a service rifle and I’ve never heard of one that comes even close for quick follow-up shots. Every gun is a compromise — no gun will be perfect for every situation. The DMR is… Read more »
Some of you may have heard of “Project Appleseed” Originally, Project Appleseed awarded its Rifleman patch to a shooter who can fire twenty aimed shots into a man sized target at 500 meters in under a minute including at least one reload using a rack grade rifle and milsurp ammo. Over the years, due to shorter ranges, ammunition cost and other considerations, the requirements have been modified somewhat. https://appleseedinfo.org/know-how-to-shoot/ https://riflemanschallenge.com/ https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/w8ppr/sniper_trained_soldier_hereattended_appleseed/ I’m told this sort of parallels top skill rankings issued by some of our military branches. I attended an “Appleseed Shoot” in Davenport, FL where one gentleman earned his… Read more »
I get what you’re saying of course, but, how many people can take advantage of one? Unless you live from the Dakota’s on down to Texas and west from there, finding a place to shoot, beyond a couple hundred yards is tough.
And any gun, is useless if you’re not able to practice with it.
In the end, I think people who don’t have the ability to practice shooting at long range, are better served by a regular 5.56mm, whether it’s an AR15 or some other type.
You don’t get anything hippy! Not ever!
I’m not the one who was letting gut shot NVA officers get away in Vietnam, while scaring the NVA with a Remington 12ga. Or fighting in Panama. Using “Cinderella hitting” M16’s.
PS, hippys have been dead for centuries.
I bought a Wilson Combat 300 HAMR upper for my Springfield Saint. I roll my own cartridges and found a nice one that is extremely accurate. Lately I started hand loading 5.56 ammo with 68 grain Hornady bthp over Varget. Have a nice recipe for that one. I’ve only shot that out to 200 yards and was pleased. Currently been working on 5.56 62 grain loads using CFE223. All my tests are suppressed and this stuff is dirtier than Unique for pistols Just found Varget recipes in a Speer book and will be finishing up 15 rnds each for 5… Read more »
Unique is a great powder for shotgun and burned very cleanly in my 20 gauge loads. Last night I was reading a recent Field & Stream article that was waxing eloquent on 6.5 Grendel which also has it’s benefits. Bottom line is if you are worried about SHTF, future scarcity and trade value, 5.56, .308 and now, to some extent, 6.5 Creedmoor are probably the best to have at hand. Anything else is icing on the cake. And what’s a cake without icing?
I agree with the consolidation of calibers. The only other one I would add is AK/SKS. I have a couple of 7mm Rem Mags for reach way out but the best looking icing I am looking at as a “just because I want one” is the Savage 110 Ultralite with the Proof Research carbon fiber barrel in 7mm PRC. The ballistics are awesome and I can pack it around all day, too. Add a quick change for my Dillon RL550 and I’m in business. Smoke and noise, yeah, baby.
I don’t recall if I have any AK ammo. I might but I don’t own an AK (or an SKS or anything else that size) so not high on my list. Good SHTF trade good like .22LR. 7mm PRC? I do believe that is the new hotness. Not ubiquitous but I sure would not trade any to someone who wasn’t a good friend. On the pistol side, 9mm, .45ACP, .357/.38 spcl, and maybe .380 to cover the most popular and my own wardrobe. The Dillon RL550 seems to be a nice little machine and of course can load everything we… Read more »
I agree, 5.56 and .308. I had a 6.5 Creedmoor, wow, did that thing heat up fast. The barrel was twice as thick as a 30-06 and it heated up at least twice as fast.
Might have something to do with 62k psi.
I didn’t realize it was that high. They say it’s soft like a .243, but it sure felt closer in recoil to a .308.
That was a Winchester XPR.
You are probably shooting something in the area of 120 grain vs. a 150-180 grain .308. Your .243 bullet will be on the order of 1/3 less than the 6.5 Creedmoor, 80-100 grains or maybe 1/2 that of some .308 loads. It’s surprising how much bullet weight makes. I really notice it shooting 185 grain .45 ACP vs. the 230. The barrel heating can get very complicated very fast. In addition to choice of primer and powder and load: Higher pressure increases rate of heat transfer. Greater velocity mans less bullet time in the barrel vs. greater friction. Dimensions where… Read more »
For the .243, I usually shoot 100 gr, the lighter bullets have never shot well in that rifle. It’s a Steyr, not sure of the riflling. For the .308, it’s 150gr. 165gr and 180gr have never shot well in that rifle.It’s a Portugese M70, not sure of the rifling. The 6.5 creedmore I didn’t have long. Really didn’t like it or the rifle, was an Win. XPR, clunky and sloppy action. Plus the mag was 3 rounds, and didn’t even fit flush. The was terrbile balanced, it has a sporter barrel, but, it was the thickest and heaviest “sporter” that… Read more »
I understand why 5.56x45mm (.223Rem) and 7.62x51mm (.308Win) would have advantages in SHTF and scarcity, but I don’t understand why you included 6.5 Creedmoor which is a niche caliber that will disappear in times of scarcity.
By any chance, did you mean to include 6.8x51mm (.277Fury) instead of 6.5Creedmoor?
Is the 277Fury even available? I don’t think I’ve ever seen it for sale, anywhere.
No, just acknowledging the current popularity of the cartridge and there are a lot of folks shooting right now. That also means many folks are reloading and have a fair amount of components in stock. In hindsight, I should have said 7.62×39. Even 30-30 would make more sense than 6.5 Creedmoor in such a scenario. Maybe 10 or 15 years from now the military’s new cartridge will be replacing that of the venerable AR-15 but nor in the foreseeable future.
They’re trying to sell a product so the answer is obviously no.
I don’t watch Garand Thumb anymore. After he got bought by Leviathan-they’re a pr/manager for gun tubers, he’s become just an actor and salesman, and not a serious teacher on gun topics.
Just put some flames stickers on the side of your current AR and be done with it.
I agree. How many people can target shoot out to 500plus yards? Not many. So, if you can’t train with it, whatever the gun is, it’ll be of no use to you.
Use a smaller target, as people have done for decades.
And how does one train for the wind, with a smaller target at a shorter range?
I have four .22 LRs that I shoot at 200 yards. All the skills are the same, including doping the wind.
“Do civilians need DMRs”, is the question. Some of us can delude ourselves into believing that the 2nd Amendment exists so that we can bear arms for hunting and fishing. And that may be true enough for many; but I do believe there is more to it than that. Enshrined in our Constitution is our right to bear arms in defense against tyranny, foreign or domestic. Whether anyone has the balls to take up arms against tyranny is another question all together, and I’ll leave that to your imagination. The real question here is who and what is a civilian,… Read more »
It exists, my government/local Stazi have ’em, therefore I need. Hunting, paper punching are merely practice for true 2A agenda of canceling tyrants.
The issue “Do civilians need DMRs?” is strictly up NO ONE, but our individual selves!
Obviously we have the right to a DMR, but realistically how many of us can benefit from one? How many, unless you live from the Dakotas down to Texas and on west, have access to more than 200 yard ranges?
Even 200yards is no big deal for a regular AR15. To take advantage of a DMR, like any other gun, you must train.
two mile range 15 minutes from me in florida ,and 500 yards out back of the house back deck is great for prone ,shoot and stay clean…….
Obviously there’s exceptions, but generally speaking, how many of us have access to the ranges you’re talking about? Not that many.
every farmer or rancher has at least 500 yards many allow practice when not in use ,or for hunting lived in bismark sd wheat fields , to find a place to shoot ask nice polite usually gets a yes
Again you’re talking about the Dakotas, mostly flat plains.
There is a hell of a lot of prairie in Mn, too. Swmft is right, go make friends with a farmer.
For shorter ranges you make the target bull smaller. Same principles apply. Are you there to shoot or to hike back and forth checking and placing your targets?
I get your point too, but there’s a problem, the environment.
Shooting at, 100, 200, 300 yards, you’re not encountering the nearly as much wind, and bullet drop that you would at 500, 700 or 1000 yards.
A smaller bullseye would certainly help, but again, there’s no way to truly duplicate range.
The original Appleseed program was designed for battle rifles. Most people brought an M1 Garand or a Springfield M1A. We fired at targets with various sized aim points to simulate man sized targets at various ranges from 100 meters to 500 meters. Your first target was a 1 inch black square at 82 feet. Supposedly that’s where a .30-06 or 7.62x51mm first crosses the line of sight. I thought I was going to see grown men weep trying to get 20 rounds into that tiny square in under a minute. Bottom line, if you can’t hit that square at 82… Read more »
Again I get your basic point. And I agree, people don’t shoot as well as they’d like to think. But you’re dismissing wind. No adjusting the size of the target is going to compensate for wind. Obviously you’re right, when you say if you can’t hit at 82 feet, you won’t hit at 500 yards, sure. But again what if you can hit? Hit at 100 or 200 yards? Wind has much less affect at those ranges. Then there’s bullet drop, which is hard, or perhaps impossible to truly simulate. You had a 500 yard range to do this course… Read more »
Oh, my … so many obstacles.
Go make friends with some farmer!
Nope. The wind pushes that little thirty-six grain .22LR all over the place and the .22 has an arc like a rainbow. The skills are all the same. Go shoot 200 yds with your .22 a few times, then lets talk.
The “ranges”. The real shooting is done in the mud and the weeds Dildo!
What’s a dildo? Is it a tool? A shooting aid? A toy? Do you use one much?
No thanks. I’m afraid I might throw up if I hear the answer.
Bet you got that from playing Call of Duty.
“Real Shooting”… So what is your favorite rifle at the moment?
You have to get out of Mn. Here in Texas everyone that I know has a rifle range in the back yard. My pastor has a rifle range.
I and a neighbor put together a 960 meter range that we shoot on.
You provide much to ponder.
The intermediate calibers would work as well. Thinking 6.5 Grendel or 6mm ARC. Lay in a good store of ammo, a loadout and a half (200+), and you’ll be set.
I think more common chamberings are better for SHTF. Easier to find ammo. Easier to find parts.
The newer cartridges may be better at certain things than the 5.56 and .308, but, will you be able to find much 6.5 or 6mm anything?
I AM the DM, and any rifle I’m carrying become the DMR…
I like the confidence!! Carry on.
“Guns won’t cure your loneliness. You’ll also need ammo.” Lilicloth.com tee….
A AR 10 , 308 or 6.5 Creemore are OK but I like the 6.5 Grendel . Lighter to carry and packs more punch than the 5.56
Should I buy a DMR? I guess I’ll know in four years.
Looting down here where the flooding happened in the mountains, still people cut off from the world, only way in is chopper. Could get bad so we back up and wait.
What the hell does “need” have to do with it? Have the editors and staff at Ammoland been replaced with the Brady staff?
“Civilians” need everything that the military has and anything else that they want.
Ok, a couple years back, Ammoland introduced me to this rifle. I want a 50bmg but I would take this instead because I can buy it for around 1,200 where a BMG is around 4,000 for the cheapest one you can get. In addition, the 50 will need a special press, special primers, special powder and quality projectiles and lets not forget the cost of the cases. I really like this rifle. Put a good Night Force on it and I bet it would kick A$$. By the way, we qualified with our M16s out to 600 meters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHaL4l71Fww https://www.ammoland.com/2023/12/bergara-wilderness-hmr-can-a-1000-rifle-make-a-1-mile-shot/… Read more »
“should you buy…” should always be followed by… of course! LOL
Do your home work, but I have personally had good luck with my Black Aura Tactical upper on the AR 1, I already had. Not sure the price tag now but 2019 they were in the $230 $250 range.
Caliber? AR10? AR15?
IMOA, the rifle you can shoot and hit consistently with, is your DMR.
308 ammo is widely available pretty much everywhere but the recoil can cause some issues and in that case the 6mm ARC or the 6.5 Grendel would be a better option for some .
Unless he’s talking about kids, or petite women, I too have never heard of 308 and recoil problems, short of some, WAY too over gassed cheap AR10 piece of junk… (S&W MP10 with it’s AR15 carbine buffer!)
308 kicks too hard? Besides a cheap S&W MP10 that’s over gasses and uses a AR15 carbine buffer, not sure how a 308 kicks too hard.
Yes I own a bolt 308 and a AR10 and as an adult they are very light recoiling but for small women and kids a 308 can be a handful . I have killed 4 elk and several big whitetail bucks with my bolt 308 and also a nice antelope with a 6.5 Grendel , both are very effective on medium size game out to 300 +yards .
Garand Thumb’s sex scandal is just too much. His impregnation fetish… YUCK.
It’s too much. I liked his first few years, when he offered some actual knowledge, but then he became just an actor and a crummy commercial.
Now we find out he’s a sex freak. So much for his “dad advice”…
https://rumble.com/v5p31dn-the-garand-thumb-controversy-explained.html
After the article, and seeing other gun tubers, and reading the comments on this thread, I’m still not convinced, this is the way to go. I think one rifle, that can do most things ok, and is reliable, and easy to carry, though maybe not being perfect at anything, is still a better option.
I tend to side with general purpose, over specialized weapons.
The M1A/M14 has never been very reliable in a combat situation.
The M1A doesn’t even have a chrome lined bore.
dont know what planet you were on ,m16 was the unreliable one ,untill forward assist was added it was killing more soldiers than drugs. many squads that had an m14 in the mix survived because the m14 ran until it caught on fire. the reason to change was a missguided 1t takes six to care for injured soldier , the Chinese and Vietcong did not do anything to recover injured or dead, 30 cal kills in one or two 22 can take as many as 20 rounds in the same area as the 30 cal…energy transfer maters… as for the… Read more »
The problems with the M16 in Vietnam had nothing to do with the design. The problems were caused because the DoD, made changes with out doing testing. Once they finally re-calibrated the M16’s system so it could handle the ammo they wanted it to use, which is wasn’t originally designed for, it worked fine.
But that took till ’69 or ’70 before all the M16’s were either new or upgraded.
Further I’d ask, if the M16/5.56 are so bad, why do they keep being used?
This is a good video, about the M16’s history in Vietnam,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYar4Zf8jH8
it was mud dirt sand, jungle environment, garand was used everywhere, and still are
Improper ammunition was the biggest factor. Also Uncle Sam issues disposable magazines at first… But made the troops reuse them.
Try watching the video, then tell me what you think.
No one uses a M1 Garand anymore in combat.
they still pop up in shitholes world wide, no GOVERNMENT uses them any more ,last active m1 garands were returned to us by Philippines in 2018, government refused return of m14s
Yes and they were finding WW1 Enfields in Afghanistan too. One in a million doesn’t really mean anything more than it’s a strange find.
still a workhorse after 100 years ,doubt any ar or m16 variant will hold up as well, there are people recovering weapons from ww1 and 2 ineastern block cleaning them and wow they still are serviceable
M16/M4/AR15’s are better. For instance you don’t have to deal with swelling of the stock… Enfields are wood, and of course bolt action, and their ammo and parts aren’t too easy to get…
Last time I was in Korea (1998ish) we trained with ROK Marines, and they were still using M1 Garands and M1 carbines. We were phasing out the M16A1 and going to the M16A2, and S. Korea had some M16A1s too.
So they were phasing out the M16A1 for the M16A2 in 1998, but sill using WW2 M1 Garands and M1 Carbines?…
Does not compute.
Look it up, the M1s and ammunition are coming back from Korea and are being sold by the CMP formerly DCM. I paid $410.00 for my M1 Garand in 1986 and 4 cases of M2 Ball ammunition to shoot DCM matches.
CMP sells the .45 ACP pistols too
they are trying to get guns from korea , our government has been the hold up
Yes, but those all came from warehouses. They were not in ROK armories.
they were in use until 2012
Funny and I thought you were done talking to me?
rok still has m1 garands mostly trw some made here, some they made when trw sent the tooling to produce the guns themselves their lend lease weapons are not yet returned , they also have m14s and 1911a1s cmp tried to get ok to repatriate us made ones in 2021 bidumb said no go
I know they have them. But they’re in warehouses, not in ROK armories.
CMP is selling 1911s, but they go quick. 1050 to 1250 price tags.
1911 Information – Civilian Marksmanship Program (thecmp.org)
guess he is an idiot and wont look it up even cmp has videos and records of lend lease
The CMP webpage has the info, he needs to learn about the program too.
Coming from the guy who uses an M1 Garand, a 30-30, a .357 mag “pistol” which you say is a GP100-I thought that was a revolver?, 12 and or maybe a 16 ga shotgun, a bow and a muzzle loader for deer. Did I forget one?
Yes, a true hunter and service man. A real key board Rambo!
Look up pistol genius and you’ll find you’re not as smart as you erroneously believe you are and have nothing to offer…
The pistol originates in the 16th century when early handguns were produced in Europe. The English word was introduced in c. 1570 from the Middle French pistolet (c. 1550).
Modern terminology is generally along these lines,
Pistol-semi automatic hand gun with a detachable magazine. A GP100 does not fit that modern description.
Revolver- A handgun with a cylinder with chambers that revolves. No detachable magazine A GP100 fits this description.
Here you are quibbling and bitching over nothing, you now know pistol refers to handgun i.e. held in one hand whether semi-auto or revolver. If someone knows firearms, very few people upon hearing .357 mag. would associate it with a semi-auto unless they own one, same with .38 special, .22 pistol. The word pistol is and always will be used to describe a handgun.
Everyone knows you’re woke. I’m surprised you used the term “bitching”. Isn’t that considered offensive to certain individuals who identify as female?
Maybe the woke rule book changed and MSNBC and Planned Parenthood didn’t send out a memo.
Read it again and it’ll compute this time
“We were phasing out the M16A1 and going to the M16A2, and S. Korea had some M16A1s too.”
Read it again, K2’s were fielding in 1985…
You sure they weren’t using Daewoo K2’s?
if you are too stupid to look it up sorry I told you anything , I for one want a d model trw
???
I believe the K2 wasn’t issued until 2016.
It was officially sent into production in March 2016, with its first deliveries in June 2016.
The Daewoo K2 began service in 1985…….
Unlike you, who was never in the service.
Wait I thought you were on sea duty with an M14 in the mid ’70s?
Stupid ass! The M-16’s defect was that the moving parts were designed too tight! And the M-16 disaster sprang from that lizard face!
So the M16A1, A2, A3, A4, and the M4 and M4A1 and civilian AR15’s all don’t work either?…
Who’s “lizard face”? You mean the mini series of the ’80s ‘V’? About the lizards in fake human skin taking over the world?
I never had any problems with my issued M14 which was all steel components. Qualified with the M14 on the rifle range and never experienced any stoppages with the weapon or magazines. The rifle fired as required during field fire shooting at pop up targets out to 500 yds. and no issues.
So now you’re trying to play GI Joe? Stolen valor just like Tim Walz. Good job.
Appears you don’t take criticism well or a comment from someone who’s handled and fired multiple military weapons that includes the M14.
No, I don’t take you seriously because you said you hunt deer with a bow, a muzzleloader, a 12ga, a 30-30 and a “30.06”. Never heard of a “30.06” before.
Oh wow, I suppose you’ve never typed 30-06 incorrectly before? Don’t be a bore and nitwit when it comes to hunting seasons; usually a month of bow season is first, unless you want to count the 2-week youth hunting, up next is the muzzle loader for two weeks and then general gun season which ends Jan. 2024 and high-powered rifles and shotguns of most calibers or bore are used. BTW during general gun season, I can use bow, muzzle loader, pistol or rifle of most calibers. I also use my 16 ga. with slugs and will carry my M1 Garand… Read more »
Wait, last time you said it was a 12ga… Now it’s a 16ga?
What ammo do you use in your M1? FMJ?
I use both 12 and 16 ga., .357 magnum pistol and multiple rifles and calibers to hunt deer over a couple of weeks during deer season. I have a 12 ga. rifled slug gun and smooth bore shotguns when deer hunting too.
I use Federal 150 gr. JSP in the Garand which is compatible pressures of the M2 Ball.
So now you use 357’s both rifle and pistol?-Desert Eagle?, 30-30s, 30-06, 12 and 16ga and a muzzleloader and a bow for deer…
No, just .357 pistol.
.357 magnum pistol? What make?
Ruger GP100
So you use a .357 revolver, a 12 and or 16 ga, a 30-30, an M1 Garand and a bow and muzzleloaded all for deer…
And I have a custom Weatherby Mark V Deluxe in .270 Weatherby on order…
I try to use them all to hunt with, otherwise they sit in the safe unused, why keep them if I were to never use them as intended.
Sure you do…
Well, I qualified with the M-14 out to 500 meters, at MCB Quantico in 1968. No pup-up targets at 500, just prone.
How’d you like it?
liked the M-14. Week before I left Pendleton for the Nam, went through a quickie course on the M-16. Before that had never seen or handled one. Thought the 14 was a better rifle, even if heavier. This was April 1969.
In the Nam, the M-16 didn’t cut through the undergrowth as did the M-60. Pig was not to be counted on, though. Really missed the 14 when all you could see was muzzle flashes in the brush.
I’ve noticed M193 doesn’t punch through logs near as well as M855, but that’s just from target shooting in the woods.
Something tells me your opinion is more valid than Getouts or Ledesmas.
I qualified on Edson Range Camp Pendelton, California 1975. We fired from 200 yds. standing, kneeling and sitting, slow fire and sitting rapid fire, 300 yds rapid prone, 500 yds slow fire prone.
We got to shoot on a new popup target range that simulated an attack from 500 yds. down to 150 yds. We were given a zone of fire and any targets that popped up were ours to shoot. We were given a read out of our hit percentages, fun time and free ammo.
Hey GETOUT, you used a M14 in 1975? The M16A1 was the standard issue rifle in 1975…
See, you did say 1975.
Getout, you weren’t at Camp Pendleton… Cause you weren’t in the Marines!