U.S.A. -(AmmoLand.com)- President Biden and his Attorney General, Merrick Garland, have championed “red flag” laws that authorize courts to temporarily prohibit individuals from possessing or accessing guns based on unproven and uncorroborated allegations by family members, coworkers, law enforcement officers, or others. A key feature of these laws is an initial order that is imposed “ex parte” – without notice to the affected person, where he or she has no opportunity to attend or contest the allegations.
The model legislation prepared by the Biden Administration authorizes such an initial order, together with a concurrently issued warrant “authorizing a law enforcement agency to search the person of the respondent and any such place for firearms and to seize any firearm.” The gun ban and confiscation remain in place until a second court hearing (for a final order) occurs, which may be weeks later. Only with respect to this hearing does the person have the right to due process – to advance notice of the hearing, and to appear, challenge the basis for the order, and present their own evidence.
The NRA, as have other critics, has voiced concerns over the lack of due process, impact on civil liberties, the flimsy standards, and a process that is slanted towards the issuance of an order. Supporters dismiss these concerns; after all, the ex parte order (and concomitant loss of gun rights and personal property) is technically temporary, and the lack of notice and an opportunity to appear are rectified during a later hearing on notice.
A recent case in Florida illustrates one of the many issues with these orders.
On May 31, 2020, officers of the Lakeland, Florida police department petitioned for a “risk protection order” under that state’s “red flag” law against E.P. Officers took E.P. into custody and seized his firearms and ammunition. The ex parte order served on E.P. instructed him that the hearing on the final risk protection order (RPO) was scheduled for June 12, 2020, at 2:00 p.m. “in the court facility located at 255 N. Broadway Ave., Bartow, FL.” This date, time and place were confirmed on June 3 by the police department’s attorney, and again in a court notice issued prior to June 12.
E.P. presented himself at the appointed date and place at 1:30 p.m. and waited until 3:00 o’clock. He testified that “he was not let into the courtroom, nor was he aware that the hearing would take place virtually or how to attend.” In fact, the hearing was held as a remote video conferencing event, without notice of this change to E.P. At that hearing, the court determined, incorrectly, that E.P. had “elected not to attend” and entered an RPO against him. E.P was prohibited from having custody or control of, or purchasing, possessing, receiving, or attempting to purchase or receive, a firearm or ammunition for up to a year, and was required to surrender any guns or ammunition not already in the custody of the police to law enforcement.
This isn’t too surprising. Florida news sources analyzing RPO cases in two Florida counties found that such petitions were overwhelmingly likely to result in an order against a defendant, with judges granting the orders in 90% of all cases. Fewer than two in ten respondents had been represented by counsel – these proceedings are civil in nature, so respondents aren’t eligible for assistance from public defense lawyers.
E.P. appealed the order against him on the basis that it was made without giving him an opportunity to appear or notice that the proceedings would take place by means other than those designated in the court’s official documents. The state law, Fla. Stat. Ann. § 790.401(3)(a) and (b), mandates that a court “must issue a notice of hearing” to the affected person, and may issue a final order “[u]pon notice and a hearing on the matter.”
It was not until August 13, 2021, that the court’s order was invalidated. A unanimous panel of the appellate court ruled that E.P.’s due process rights were violated by the failure to notify him that the final hearing would take place virtually instead of in the court facility listed in the ex parte order. Citing Florida caselaw, the court observed that “[p]rocedural due process requires both fair notice and a real opportunity to be heard … at a meaningful time and in a meaningful manner.” The lack of proper notice deprived E.P. of his right to be heard and accordingly, the order “must be reversed.”
The case highlights the weakness of a model predicated on the presumption that persons named in a petition are dangerous, and that it is, therefore, appropriate to strip them of their rights and property without notice or a meaningful opportunity to respond until after the fact. E.P. was obligated to spend time and money to undo the trial court’s blunder and even so, there is no indication in the case report that he had his property or his gun rights restored prior to the appellate court ruling.
The case is E.P. v. Lakeland Police Dept., No. 2D20-2121, 2021 WL 3573015 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. Aug. 13, 2021).
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I suggest if you’re going to be treated as a criminal. ACT LIKE ONE. Plan ahead. Stashes, come to mind.
I like where you are going with this, but in my opinion, that is not criminal activity, it is the way of a free man Hell yes
And where has the Great Desantis been during this? I have called, written and emailed his office. Every time all I get is the standard auto reply or a ‘thank you for telling us your concerns’ BS. He is not a 2A supported as far as I can tell. The only thing he has done is sign a very minor act into law that allows church carry for permit holders. Big deal.
He is a puppet like all the rest, if he was pro 2A we would have had Turncoat Scott’s 2018 infringments over turned. He is only worried about the next election. But he is better then an closet gay meth head IMO
No. He’s really not.
I was a DeSantis donor. No more until he backs off Red Flag.
Overall he’s a very good governor.
Overall DeSantis is an excellent governor. Wish he’d back off Red Flag so I can donate again.
NRA has NO ROOM to grouse against Red Flag statutes; the NRA stood IN SUPPORT of this kind of infringement!
…JUST AS THEY HAVE STOOD IN SUPPORT OF EVERY OTHER INFRINGEMENT FOR CLOSE TO 100 YEARS!
NRA: Trea$0n from within “Through the years, we’ve had our differences with the National Rifle Association…. Today, we write in praise NRA.” -SF Chronicle 06/15/07 “The VA Tech shootings were a horrific reminder of the gaps in U.S. gun laws. NRA knew its usual opposition to every solution would be unacceptable to the American public so it made this concession.” -Brady Campaign “For the 1st time, HR 2640, if enacted, would impose a lifetime gun ban on battle-scarred veterans.” -Military Order of the Purple Heart 06/18/07 “NRA told members Carolyn McCarthy’s one of the worst gun banners; now NRA crawled… Read more »
“NRA does not support ALL Red Flag laws.” -Schart
NRA didn’t OPENLY back ALL Red Flags. Just backed precursors for half a century:
GCA’68
Gvt-conducted “background checks” (registration)
Lautenberg DVRO disability by “adjudication”
Carolyn McCarthy’s HR 2640 veterans confiscation law
Helped “pro-gun” Harry Reid “fix” Obamacare to pass by ONE vote.
“Fix” NICS (perfect the dragnet)
NRA paved the way for today’s Red Flags. Can’t p1ss on 1st Principles & expect it not to progress to more virulent forms.
And Josh Powell personally pushed this. See my comment above…
Schart: “The NRA does not support all Red Flag statutes.”
Bravo Sierra!
Josh Powell personally pitched Red Flag laws to Trump. So don’t tell me that NRA didn’t support this; Wayne LaPierre was present. And what WLP supports, NRA endorses, PERIOD.
Thanks. Didn’t know that. Not surprised.
Why is this being played off as a Biden thing? I get it. He’s a scumbag for pushing these tyrannical red flag laws right? Bad Democrats! Except there’s this. It’s the NRA endorsed Trump that said famously, “Take the guns first. Due process later”. Then he coerced and bribed states to enact you guessed it, red flag laws. NRA is a scummy, slimy political battering ram for money interests in the gun industry. They’re happy to take your money and send you “free gun inside” stickers for your vehicles, and magazines. They use it to buy cars and hookers in… Read more »
The majority of veterans who are Republican U.S. legislators or presidential hopefuls (such as DeSantis) are in favor of red flag laws.
People should be more cautious about picking heroes and about worshipping groups of people.
NRA hypocrites endorsed C. McCarthy’s HR2640 to make countless veterans ‘prohibited persons’, a form of Red Flag. No ‘adjudication’ let alone true due process viz Fair Trial By Jury Of One’s Peers. You scored it a ‘pro-gun’ vote, then acted shocked, SHOCKED it’s ‘abused’! Then you ran ads on veteran sites to sucker them out of cash to ‘fix’ what you did – ‘protection’ racket but the vics really think you protect them.
NRA Delenda Est
is prob’ly for the best.
Cool thing, we don’t have to do anything. Your corruption & stupidity did it for us.
Among the many other forms or Red Flag you have pushed:
GCA’68, which also requires out of business gun dealers to turn in their de facto gunowner registration lists to AFT.
Government-conducted “background checks” – de facto registration.
“Fix” NICS.
You winked at Lautenberg to let judges hand out DVROs & ‘prohibited personhood’ like candy.
Your comment is pure unadulterated sophistry, nothing more.
And yet you lack the brains & courage to even try to dispute it.
Hammer10, huh? Interesting user name. Do you like cats?
When did the NRA stop advocating for red flag laws and fix NICS?
Marion Hammerhead? It’s consistent with her deflection-projection shtick. ‘Sophistry.’ At least she learned one new word since 1997.
I received notice today from Matt Collins at Florida Gun Rights that State Representative Anthony Sabatini introduced HB 6013, a bill which would repeal Florida’s disastrous “Red Flag” Gun Confiscation law. The RINOs received a lot of grief from FL gun owners for Bloomberg money and shelving some pro gun laws.
EXCELLENT! Makes me feel good about having donated to Sabatini.
I hope DeSantis does the right thing too.
I think the real, underlying issue in these cases is denial of Due Process and it was on this basis that the order was overturned. With Due Process comes the ability to fight, and overturn, government over reach in any violation of civil rights, from 2A, Freedom of Speech, Illegal Search and Seizure, or any other constitutional protection. Even violations of the Interstate Commerce clause can be used to deny a constitutional freedom. It is the alleged ability of the government to act on an unsubstantiated warrant that is the violation. I’m not sure how this is a civil matter… Read more »
When will this kind of crap stop? When it becomes more painful to the violators then it is worth to them.
No mention of the original cause for the initiation of the RPO. Was he suicidal that day? Per who, family? Self reported? A complaint of domestic violence? Complaint of his behavior from a third party? From responding Officers to a call for service wherein they interacted with him? That should’ve been explained in the article. Also no mention of whether or not another Order was entered for the release & return of his property by the impounding Agency, which is required. Simply dismissing the RPO isn’t sufficient to accomplish that. Poorly written article, it was more of a bitch &… Read more »
Alert: Hammer toadies & sock pups skewing poll to make it look like Guns & Ammo readers “completely support” LaPew & Co.
https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/why-nra-cancels-2021-annual-meetings-exhibits/451358
Also see:
https://nraindanger.wordpress.com/2021/08/27/guns-and-ammo-on-nra-situation/
Patriot Solutions – 8/26/21: “‘Take the guns first, due process later’ Looool Can always join the convention of states along with those gun grabbing Rinos and get control of satans cabal, Looooooooool Doesn’t matter which cabalist you vote for because every one of them is out to steal our rights, they are above the law, unaccountable actors, Hollywood, all of it, staged theater at the expense of bleating sheep.” Response to Patriot Solutions: Welcome to the club of mocking him for making totalitarian statements and stating that he has some of the same shortcomings as every other politician who panders… Read more »
So it happened in FLORIDA A GOP CONTROLLED RED STATE
Shows the “Right” care no more about rights than the “left”
That’s a reach, Comrade. But you Lefties like reaching…around.
The lefty’s point on the GOP state is correct. You respond in your typical “christian” fashion with derogatory homosexual references. No images of buggery?
Figures you openly fellate leftists on AmmoLand now.
“ABOLISH THE USA!” -APG, LOLibertarian
Again this “christian” makes references to sodomy.
It must be very disappointing to you that I am a heretic to your worship of the united states government and you are unable to persecute me.
“ABOLISH THE USA! ABOLISH BORDERS! UNLIMITED IMMIGRATION NOW!”
-APG, LoLibertarian
Christian? He’s a frickin commie!
F off, Neal & Bob
So you think the left will care more? LOL That comment doesn’t help the cause.
That is the truth and anyone who wants to be realistic will confirm this. Maybe one day the masses will wake up and see both parties are the same.
https://www.tiktok.com/@representus/video/6997463953173449990?lang=en&is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1